Ask a Right Libertarian anything

[Tik-Tok]

Hello Revleft. This is my first post here. I am new so excuse me if I posted in the wrong place. I read the FAQ but I thought I'd post in the politics section as an all rounder.

I am a British Right leaning Libertarian. I have many different views that probably contradict your own so ask me anything but if you are easily offended then I suggest you avoid posting as I am very vocal about my opinions I enjoy US politics aswell as UK politics and I like to discuss with people of opposing views.

Before you ask, I do indeed support Ron Paul and on the British side, UKIP. If you want to ask why, by all means.

Cheers,
Tik-Tok

[tradeunionsupporter]

Why are Libertarians against helping the Poor with Welfare ?

[RGacky3]

Because they believe in the free market, and if the poor are still poor with a free market they deserve to be poor, but they believe that under a free market a lot of poverty would'nt exist.

Which is untrue because the more money a person has the easier it is to make money and dispossess, the more money he has the more power he has, for example to suppress wages, to control workers, to even control things like housing and so on.

[Property Is Robbery]

How do you sleep at night?


On a more serious note.. How can you believe in volunteerism as a solution to poverty, homelessness etc.

Also what do you think about vagrancy laws.

And are you a christian? If not I don't see how you could support Ron Paul

[Property Is Robbery]

Oh no, youre banned. you shouldve posted in OI dumbass

[PhoenixAsh]

Oh no, youre banned. you shouldve posted in OI dumbass

actually...he should have refrained from defending white supremacy movements...

[RedZezz]

What is socialism and communism?

I ask because most right-wingers I talk to don't know or have an incorrect definition, so I generally like to get a feel for their theoretical understanding.

Hint: If you say government ownsership of the economy, one-man dictatorship, Obama, or any form of totalitarian ideology, you are WRONG!

[Property Is Robbery]

actually...he should have refrained from defending white supremacy movements...

Which thread was that in?

Edit: Nvm found it

[TikTok]

We are not. Libertarianism is a wide ideology varying from total anarchism to anarcho communism. Libertarianism can simply mean less government. I am specifically a Right Libertarian.

Welfare is bane on a large portion of those who are on it. It creates a dependence on the state and it should only be limited to the most desperate of people. A fantastic example of the negatives of welfare are black communities. Communities in the past that were once poverty ridden are in a much worse state than before. The culture of entitlements has created a dependence on the government which is poisonous.

Thomas Sowell- Welfare
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Thomas Sowell- Affirmation in Education
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Walter Williams- Up From the Projects
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Welfare is also a fairly broad term so it can't really be condensed, it depends how you look or define welfare. Not only does it create dependency, it has also increased over time to the point where it is unsustainable. It is almost the same as the military budget in the US and in the UK it has doubled over ten years.

Economic/Fiscal conservatism is best for working and poor famillies. Like I said, only the most desperate would recieve it.

Think of it as similar to food aid sent out to poorer economic countries. People think it is a good thing to give starving people food but they dont think of the consequences. Lets say a farmer spends months of time working thier fields to produce a very limited yield. They then go to sell this hard earned yield but they cannot sell it. Thier market is eating free food aid. This farmer cannot compete with this competition. Therefore he also grows hungry and will start using the food aid given freely by western countries who can afford it.

This kills a farming industry and creates ever increasing dependency. Those starving will breed more starving and will need more and more aid.

It is unsustainable and cruel to deprive a country of it's independence. This is the same for people. Some people truly need it, others don't. You MUST think of the consequences. You cannot let emotion guide you. Always use logic and think laterally.

[Property Is Robbery]

How did you get un banned? Also new topic for you (along with the questions I already asked please). How is National Socialism anything but a third way economic system?

Edit: I have never heard a libertarian claim that National Socialism is Socialism. I thought you were supposed to be knowledgeable about economics. Ive only heard Glenn beck loonies spew that shit.

[RGacky3]

It creates a dependence on the state and it should only be limited to the most desperate of people. A fantastic example of the negatives of welfare are black communities. Communities in the past that were once poverty ridden are in a much worse state than before. The culture of entitlements has created a dependence on the government which is poisonous.

Bullshit, compare a country with a HUGE welfare state, i.e. Norway, you literally could live comfortably and never work, 2% unemployment, same with sweeden.

What creates the dependancy is the fact that the market fails the vast majority of the population.

Think of it as similar to food aid sent out to poorer economic countries. People think it is a good thing to give starving people food but they dont think of the consequences. Lets say a farmer spends months of time working thier fields to produce a very limited yield. They then go to sell this hard earned yield but they cannot sell it. Thier market is eating free food aid. This farmer cannot compete with this competition. Therefore he also grows hungry and will start using the food aid given freely by western countries who can afford it.

Except thats not what happens, there are many studies on food markets and why people starve, and its not due to free food, its do to many factors, most of which stem from the for-profit nature of food production.

[Property Is Robbery]

you will be banned again soon so answer me quick. You cant create sock puppets man

[TikTok]

[QUOTE=RGacky3;2111686]Bullshit, compare a country with a HUGE welfare state, i.e. Norway, you literally could live comfortably and never work, 2% unemployment, same with sweeden.

What creates the dependancy is the fact that the market fails the vast majority of the population.

I'm a Brit. You have no idea what a welfare state is. The Market fails because, most especially in Britain, it is tied down by government intervention and the symbiotic relationship between government and corporates. Monopolies are subsidized and so are the many markets which exist. For instance dairy and potatoes farms are subsidized. If they produce over a certain yield, they lose thier subsidy so many famers throw away excess to keep thier subsidy. This has created more and more farmers all living off this subsidy. This in turn gave the grocery market giants an oppurtunity to monopolise thier producers. They colluded to strong arm thier producers for a cheaper price.

Much of the Uk market is susidized subtly. This relationship needs severing and to do this you restrict the governments ability to do what it ahs been doing. Taxes are high, economy is dropping and in response private companies move elsewhere. This creates more unemployment. Our welfare ahs doubled and more people are out of work. The governments response?

More immigration... less jobs.. lower wages...

It's an unsustainable spiral with so many factors all proving that government failed... not the market.

Except thats not what happens, there are many studies on food markets and why people starve, and its not due to free food, its do to many factors, most of which stem from the for-profit nature of food production.

There are other reasons for the starvation but the solution isn't giving free food.

[Broletariat]

There are other reasons for the starvation but the solution isn't giving free food.

Food, it won't fix starvation.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

Edit: I have never heard a libertarian claim that National Socialism is Socialism. I thought you were supposed to be knowledgeable about economics. Ive only heard Glenn beck loonies spew that shit.

From a right libertarian view it makes some sense, being that the state is used to dictate the growth of the economy to a large extent. Obviously, you and I contend that there is no similarity but his comparison makes some sense from the right.

[MattShizzle]

Edit: I have never heard a libertarian claim that National Socialism is Socialism. I thought you were supposed to be knowledgeable about economics. Ive only heard Glenn beck loonies spew that shit.

I've heard that idiotic claim plenty of times.

[Property Is Robbery]

From a right libertarian view it makes some sense, being that the state is used to dictate the growth of the economy to a large extent. Obviously, you and I contend that there is no similarity but his comparison makes some sense from the right.

I get that. I also see how some libertarians would think that. However I have never heard any of them say it because it just sounds so damn ignorant and conservative

[TikTok]

I'll try and answer one at a time here. I'm only human.

How do you sleep at night?
On a more serious note.. How can you believe in volunteerism as a solution to poverty, homelessness etc.

There are varying degrees to Libertarianism. I am a sort of breed who thinks more like UKIP than say Ron Paul but I can get behind Ron Paul because he is the solution to many of the US' problems.

Also what do you think about vagrancy laws.

Not sure. Is this the illegality of homeless sleeping on public property? Or Homeless not able to get a job. There are many vagrancy laws. I dont see a problem with people who want to live homeless. Its a public street. If they want to sleep there then they should be able to.

And are you a christian? If not I don't see how you could support Ron Paul

Ron Puals religous views eman nothing to me. It's his political views I care about. I'm an atheist and it doesn't bother me.

[Property Is Robbery]

I'll try and answer one at a time here. I'm only human.



There are varying degrees to Libertarianism. I am a sort of breed who thinks more like UKIP than say Ron Paul but I can get behind Ron Paul because he is the solution to many of the US' problems.



Not sure. Is this the illegality of homeless sleeping on public property? Or Homeless not able to get a job. There are many vagrancy laws. I dont see a problem with people who want to live homeless. Its a public street. If they want to sleep there then they should be able to.



Ron Puals religous views eman nothing to me. It's his political views I care about. I'm an atheist and it doesn't bother me.

No one wants to be homeless...

Ron Paul's brand of Libertarianism is based highly on his religious views. The fact that he calls himself a Libertarian but still is against gambling, prostitution, gay marriage etc. is a fucking disgrace that comes from his religious views

[TikT0k]

Im repeatedly getting banned. I dont understand why. Im banned yet the thread is appoved. I go to the opposing views section then I am banned there.

Isn't this a fairly liberal site? Isn't free speech an accepted ideology? I'm polite, I don't spread hate not and sort of ''facism.''

Why all the banning? I went to a section designed specifically for alternative views and yet im still banned repeatedly.

A simple answer would really be nice. Thank you.