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Ah, so instead of giving the polar bears Bakunin, we should give the seals Mao?Polar Bears are patriarchal territorial bourgeouis reactionaries, and white supremacists
Primitivists on the internet?
Wouldn't they have to like cut off thier hands that were forever tainted by a keyboard afterwards and spend thier days being fed lentils by thier "untainted" friends?
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I was thinking more Malcolm X..Ah, so instead of giving the polar bears Bakunin, we should give the seals Mao?
Mores the pity, primitivist/ technocrat debates would be a novel change..
..Although probably not the Terminator Judgement day scenario I'm visualising..
In the end, the ballot must decide, not bullets Jonas Savimbi
Democracy is when the indigent, and not the men of property, are the rulers Aristotle
Solution: Apply dialectical method, reconcile primitivism and technology, produce techno-primitivism.
Do you have a cell phone? Do you buy things? Then you are contributing to Capitalism the same way Primitivists are too technology.
Economic Left/Right: -9.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.62
"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one" - Albert Einstein
Communists see capitalism as a necessary if unpleasant part of human social development, while primitivists see industrial society as a plague to be retreated from. While there's certainly a point in noting that primitivists are no freer of industrialism than communisms are of capitalism, the fact that we embrace capitalism in an historical sense while rejecting it in a contemporary one suggests that we have a rather different relationship to that reality than primitivists, who reject industrialism outright.
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The guy who told me this lies about pretty much everything, but he claims when he went rock climbing/ caving with one of those youth project type things they met a guy who lives in a cave, and hunts for his food, and makes clothes from fur etc. He actually bought the cave and some of the land around it. He'll have the last laugh come the zombie apocalypse!
In the end, the ballot must decide, not bullets Jonas Savimbi
Democracy is when the indigent, and not the men of property, are the rulers Aristotle
Maybe, but I don't go around saying that mobile phone networks are a small part of the problem, not like the root of all evil like what primmies say technology is. I suppose a better analogy would be for me to find some way to buy a significant share in the world bank to try bring it down from within. Glad that some of them have the sense to see that you can use your political enemy's tools against them.
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But what if the American Imperialist dogs in the White House bring about a mineshaft gap?The guy who told me this lies about pretty much everything, but he claims when he went rock climbing/ caving with one of those youth project type things they met a guy who lives in a cave, and hunts for his food, and makes clothes from fur etc. He actually bought the cave and some of the land around it. He'll have the last laugh come the zombie apocalypse!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iesXUFOlWC0
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Anarcho-primitivism (a.k.a. radical primitivism, anti-authoritarian primitivism, the anti-civilization movement, or just, primitivism) is a shorthand term for a radical current that critiques the totality of civilization from an anarchist perspective, and seeks to initiate a comprehensive transformation of human life. Strictly speaking, there is no such thing as anarcho-primitivism or anarcho-primitivists. Fredy Perlman, a major voice in this current, once said, "The only -ist name I respond to is "cellist".' Individuals associated with this current do not wish to be adherents of an ideology, merely people who seek to become free individuals in free communities in harmony with one another and with the biosphere, and may therefore refuse to be limited by the term 'anarcho-primitivist' or any other ideological tagging. At best, then, anarcho-primitivism is a convenient label used to characterise diverse individuals with a common project: the abolition of all power relations - e.g., structures of control, coercion, domination, and exploitation - and the creation of a form of community that excludes all such relations. The aim is to develop a synthesis of primal and contemporary anarchy, a synthesis of the ecologically-focussed, non-statist, anti-authoritarian aspects of primitive lifeways with the most advanced forms of anarchist analysis of power relations. The aim is not to replicate or return to the primitive, merely to see the primitive as a source of inspiration, as exemplifying forms of anarchy.
For anarcho-primitivists, civilization is the overarching context within which the multiplicity of power relations develop. Some basic power relations are present in primitive societies - and this is one reason why anarcho-primitivists do not seek to replicate these societies - but it is in civilization that power relations become pervasive and entrenched in practically all aspects of human life and human relations with the biosphere. Civilization - also referred to as the megamachine or Leviathan - becomes a huge machine which gains its own momentum and becomes beyond the control of even its supposed rulers. Powered by the routines of daily life which are defined and managed by internalized patterns of obedience, people become slaves to the machine, the system of civilization itself. Only widespread refusal of this system and its various forms of control, revolt against power itself, can abolish civilization, and pose a radical alternative. Ideologies such as Marxism, classical anarchism and feminism oppose aspects of civilization; only anarcho-primitivism opposes civilization, the context within which the various forms of oppression proliferate and become pervasive - and, indeed, possible. Anarcho-primitivism incorporates elements from various oppositional currents - ecological consciousness, anarchist anti-authoritarianism, feminist critiques, Situationist ideas, zero-work theories, technological criticism - but goes beyond opposition to single forms of power to refuse them all and pose a radical alternative. From the perspective of anarcho-primitivism, all other forms of radicalism appear as reformist, whether or not they regard themselves as revolutionary. Marxism and classical anarchism, for example, want to take over civilization, rework its structures to some degree, and remove its worst abuses and oppressions. However, 99% of life in civilization remains unchanged in their future scenarios, precisely because the aspects of civilization they question are minimal. Although both want to abolish capitalism, and classical anarchism would abolish the State too, overall life patterns wouldn't change too much. Although there might be some changes in socioeconomic relations, such as worker control of industry and neighbourhood councils in place of the State, and even an ecological focus, basic patterns would remain unchanged. The Western model of progress would merely be amended and would still act as an ideal. Mass society would essentially continue, with most people working, living in artificial, technologised environments, and subject to forms of coercion and control.
Radical ideologies on the Left seek to capture power, not abolish it. Hence, they develop various kinds of exclusive groups - cadres, political parties, consciousness-raising groups - in order to win converts and plan strategies for gaining control. Organizations, for anarcho-primitivists, are just rackets, gangs for putting a particular ideology in power. Politics, 'the art and science of government,' is not part of the primitivist project; only a politics of desire, pleasure, mutuality and radical freedom.
Does that answer your question? Please emphasize on any discrepancies or objections that you have
Anarchists usually don't think too highly of primitivists like Zerzan.
I also have a link for those who want to read the gripping story of a primitivist dystopia, and by gripping I mean it's a pisstake by some libcom potty mouth.
@Headphonegut: I understand as a noob on this forum you can't post links yet, but you still should clarify when you copy&paste something.
Lol so you dismiss the answer to the question? But you don't attack it in any way? Hahahahahahaha I guess I should've known better than to post a competing ideology because of all the red herrings and ad homonyms lol. f for effort
I'm willing to defend primitivism but you didn't post an objection more like a dismissal
I guess it isn't you fault you can't really attack that to which you are ignorant to
Indeed.
I already know the text where this comes from. But I don't know how much you have read when it comes to anarchist criticism of primitivism, I don't even know whether you have read the text you quoted from. Asking you to read the first link I posted in this thread with all the stuff linked there would be a bit much, the most important link from there goes to a general essay about primitivism, so I ask you to only read that, and to tell me what its main points are to demonstrate that you have read it.
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The page doesn't exist....F for effort
What do you think made it go out of popularity?
Ignorance and close-mindedness
Do you support communism?
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