I've been encouraging people not to vote. The lower the turnout the better. Let's not legitimise their farce.
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I've been encouraging people not to vote. The lower the turnout the better. Let's not legitimise their farce.
"It is slaves, struggling to throw off their chains, who unleash the movement whereby history abolishes masters." - Raoul Vaneigem
"Communism is for us not a state of affairs which is to be established, an ideal to which reality will have to adjust itself. We call communism the real movement which abolishes the present state of things." - Karl Marx
"What distinguishes reform from revolution is not that revolution is violent, but that it links insurrection and communisation." - Gilles Dauvé
That'll work!
Oh .... wait ....
If AV is rejected the last thing that will happen is a push for PR, those in favour of PR are voting and campaigning for AV whereas those in favour of FPTP are those strongly against the PR system. A win for AV would not bring about PR but it would show a strong indication of the support there is for it.
Bang on.
"Marxist psychology is not a school amidst schools, but the only genuine psychology as a science. A psychology other than this cannot exist. And the other way around: everything that was and is genuinely scientific belongs to Marxist psychology" -Lev Vygotsky
"The Bolsheviks have shown that they are capable of everything that a genuine revolutionary party can contribute within the limits of historical possibilities. They are not supposed to perform miracles. For a model and faultless proletarian revolution in an isolated land, exhausted by world war, strangled by imperialism, betrayed by the international proletariat, would be a miracle."
-Rosa Luxemburg
Voting for voting systems'll work!
Oh ... wait ...
I'm bound to stay
Where you sleep all day
Where they hung the jerk
That invented work
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains.
Jesus christ.
If there was a vote tomorrow on legalising abortion would you vote? or would that be endorsing bourgeois democracy?
Like it or not somethings are worth voting for in the context of winning or defending progressive gains. It is ignorant and nothing else to abstain when real gains for the working class are on offer or under attack.
"Marxist psychology is not a school amidst schools, but the only genuine psychology as a science. A psychology other than this cannot exist. And the other way around: everything that was and is genuinely scientific belongs to Marxist psychology" -Lev Vygotsky
"The Bolsheviks have shown that they are capable of everything that a genuine revolutionary party can contribute within the limits of historical possibilities. They are not supposed to perform miracles. For a model and faultless proletarian revolution in an isolated land, exhausted by world war, strangled by imperialism, betrayed by the international proletariat, would be a miracle."
-Rosa Luxemburg
Since when is AV a part of 'real gains for the working class'?
I'm bound to stay
Where you sleep all day
Where they hung the jerk
That invented work
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains.
AV is progressive in terms of what FPTP is. It is a better more representative way of voting, its not progressive really in itself but its better than FPTP
"Marxist psychology is not a school amidst schools, but the only genuine psychology as a science. A psychology other than this cannot exist. And the other way around: everything that was and is genuinely scientific belongs to Marxist psychology" -Lev Vygotsky
"The Bolsheviks have shown that they are capable of everything that a genuine revolutionary party can contribute within the limits of historical possibilities. They are not supposed to perform miracles. For a model and faultless proletarian revolution in an isolated land, exhausted by world war, strangled by imperialism, betrayed by the international proletariat, would be a miracle."
-Rosa Luxemburg
Didnt really want either, they're both shit systems. That said, I had hoped for a "Yes" result, partly because now the whole debate over electoral reform will be put to bed for the forseeable future, and partly because it might actually be a step towards not having so dominant a two party state
How though? Have countries with AV had more socialist candidates elected (not that I think that is "progressive" either) than ones with FPTP?
"Direct Action is a notion of such clarity, of such self-evident transparency, that merely to speak the words defines and explains them. It means that the working class, in constant rebellion against the existing state of affairs, expects nothing from outside people, powers or forces, but rather creates its own conditions of struggle and looks to itself for its means of action. It means that, against the existing society which recognises only the citizen, rises the producer. And that that producer, having grasped that any social grouping models itself upon its system of production, intends to attack directly the capitalist mode of production in order to transform it, by eliminating the employer and thereby achieving sovereignty in the workshop – the essential condition for the enjoyment of real freedom.” Emile Pouget
I still don't understand what this has to do with being a 'real gain for the working class'.
The ability to rank in order who is going to fuck you as opposed to just picking who is going to fuck still means you get royally fucked. This doesn't mean anything to workers fighting for jobs, conditions and services. It's something alien. And I'm not even saying abject political things like this are always equally alien (although the probably are) but if they have anything to do with working class gains they come as the result of working class struggle. Class analysis of society means you don't just address things in a vacuum you look at them within the contradiction of interests between those that produce social wealth and those that reap its benefits. So universal suffrage (as Zanthorus if he saw this would say...) came after groups such as the Chartists engaging in mass struggle, who Marx would refer to as a 'party' of the class, and so forth. But how did the AV referendum come about? As a stitch up to secure a coalition of mass austerity. I cannot see how in anyway AV can be justified as any kind of gain for the working class or anything at all to do with working class struggle.
I'm bound to stay
Where you sleep all day
Where they hung the jerk
That invented work
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains.
