I was just given a women are inferior to men speech

[Broletariat]

By my mother.


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Someone explain this madness. She invoked religious undertones quite explicitly saying she was made from a rib on the underarm of a man. Why would, just dude what.

[Gorilla]

When I lived in Baltimore back in the day I can't tell you how many anti-black racist speeches I used to hear from black people.

[RedAnarchist]

Social conditioning. Sadly, there are many women with similar mindsets.

[Anarchrusty]

Broletariat, if it's not to personal, could you give us a few examples or details? I agree with RedAnarchist that it is probably down to social conditioning, and religious as well.
However, not knowing anything, there isn't much we can say to provide you with counterarguments.

[Broletariat]

Broletariat, if it's not to personal, could you give us a few examples or details? I agree with RedAnarchist that it is probably down to social conditioning, and religious as well.
However, not knowing anything, there isn't much we can say to provide you with counterarguments.

It probably is social, she was raised on a rural farm and her father was a pastor.

It came about when we were talking about my fiance. My mother mentioned something about how misguided and foolish my fiance is to think that she was an "independent woman." She explicitly gave the example that women can't handle stress, but men can.

I thought this was a rather foolish claim to make considering all the single working class mothers out there.

[Anarchrusty]

I don't want to rip on your mother, mate, but that is one medeival idea she is dishing out there.
Tell her you love and would never do anything to hurt, and ask her to listen. Then calmly explain to her that she is completely tarring all women with a brush that she was taught by social norms that are not necessarily hers. Ask her to think back to women she knows/knew that displayed traits your mum thinks they cannot posses and she'll see you were right all along.

Remember, she means well in her own way.

[Quail]

Sadly a lot of women do accept their subordination without questioning it. I see it all the time, to varying degrees. There are women my age (20) who think they should do all the housework and look after their (male) partner, and my mum clearly seems to think I'm a better parent to my son because I'm a woman. Even though it sounds as though your mother was brought up in a very conservative family/area, you have to remember that attitudes towards women and sexism have changed a lot since she was young. It's also very difficult to challenge behaviour and attitudes that you have accepted and normalised for a long time.

[Dumb]

It probably is social, she was raised on a rural farm and her father was a pastor.

It came about when we were talking about my fiance. My mother mentioned something about how misguided and foolish my fiance is to think that she was an "independent woman." She explicitly gave the example that women can't handle stress, but men can.

I thought this was a rather foolish claim to make considering all the single working class mothers out there.

Which is why most drug addicts and alcoholics are women. Clearly.

[Broletariat]

Which is why most drug addicts and alcoholics are women. Clearly.

That's another excellent example.

[TC]

My mother mentioned something about how misguided and foolish my fiance is to think that she was an "independent woman." She explicitly gave the example that women can't handle stress, but men can.

When you're brought up from day one to think that your place is a mother and supportive wife to a man, and not an independent person, and so you don't aspire to be an independent person, try to do all of the difficult (but, when successful, ultimately rewarding) things required to gain independence - it is so easy to resent those who do more with their lives and who don't 'get with the program' that you've been fed for long enough to adopt whole heartedly.

Patriarchy is a system where men dominate women, this does not mean that many women are not willing participants, having internalized the values and ideology of the prevailing system (just as dirt poor tea partyers despise socialism and love free market capitalism that ideologically dominates their communities even though they are subordinate in the capitalist system).


Only liberals think that the only possible problem with a system is that it violates free will and voluntary choices. They don't recognize how voluntary choices themselves are constructed by the system - how our preferences are not independent, self-originating autonomous things but are actively shaped by our social environment and the power dynamics that constitute it.

[Valdemar]

I'm new, and i hope this will not sound like provocation.
But your mom is right and you shuld listen to her...she has got years of expiriance, and afther all, she is a woman and she is your mom, and moms want best for their sons

I don't agree with bible, rib and stuff, and i think she does not think that so "iterally" and anyone who takes bible literally...well he shuld read it few more times.

I think your mother wanted to say to you that you shuld be head of the Family and you shuld have pants and not your Girl/Wife...Thats my Tought...

[agnixie]

By my mother.


wat

Someone explain this madness. She invoked religious undertones quite explicitly saying she was made from a rib on the underarm of a man. Why would, just dude what.

Got that from my paternal grandmother a lot (don't turn into a castratrix and a feminist!). On the other side, I learned that my maternal grandmother's heroine growing up was Simone Veil so it sort of balances out.

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

When you're brought up from day one to think that your place is a mother and supportive wife to a man, and not an independent person, and so you don't aspire to be an independent person, try to do all of the difficult (but, when successful, ultimately rewarding) things required to gain independence - it is so easy to resent those who do more with their lives and who don't 'get with the program' that you've been fed for long enough to adopt whole heartedly.

Patriarchy is a system where men dominate women, this does not mean that many women are not willing participants, having internalized the values and ideology of the prevailing system (just as dirt poor tea partyers despise socialism and love free market capitalism that ideologically dominates their communities even though they are subordinate in the capitalist system).


Only liberals think that the only possible problem with a system is that it violates free will and voluntary choices. They don't recognize how voluntary choices themselves are constructed by the system - how our preferences are not independent, self-originating autonomous things but are actively shaped by our social environment and the power dynamics that constitute it.

I must admit, I feel I can relate to this on some level in the sense that I internalize in some ways the same oppression that has caused detriment in my own life.

[Le Libérer]

I'm new, and i hope this will not sound like provocation.
But your mom is right and you shuld listen to her...she has got years of expiriance, and afther all, she is a woman and she is your mom, and moms want best for their sons

I don't agree with bible, rib and stuff, and i think she does not think that so "iterally" and anyone who takes bible literally...well he shuld read it few more times.

I think your mother wanted to say to you that you shuld be head of the Family and you shuld have pants and not your Girl/Wife...Thats my Tought...

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[Anarchrusty]

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Swift justice

[Le Libérer]

Swift justice

Yeah its hit and miss around here. Being one of oh lets say 10 women on board has its moments.

[Dr Mindbender]

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I thought sexism was a banning offence?