Are the Democrats and the Social Democracy types just frontmen for the Capitalists ?

[tradeunionsupporter]

Are the Democrats and the Social Democracy types just frontmen for the Capitalists ?

[B5C]

Not all.

Some of them do or did have ideals to help with the working class. There are some who got corrupted by corporations and power.

For me I chose Social Democracy because as of now. The United States can't change into Socialism. Socialism is a great idea, but if it's poorly implented. The USA could just become like USSR, Cuba, or even yet an backwards socialist ideals like Lybia or Baathist Syria or Iraq.

It's better to have capitalism domesticated to work for the people's well being than the well being of the rich. FDR basically grabbed the capitalist system and muzzled it. He had like 40 great years of economic stability due too FDR regulations. All that is all gone now due too Regan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, and now Obama.

We got some good Democrats right now: Barney Frank and America's only official democratic socialist Bernie Sanders (Sanders is an independent, but cacauses with the Democrats).

[hatzel]

Wait wait wait wait wait...are openly capitalist parties like the Democrats and Social Democratic parties 'just frontmen for the capitalists'? Ah...no, no they're not...

They are the capitalists

[graymouser]

The Democratic Party is a party of the capitalist center-right. That's pretty unambiguous.

Social democracy is a movement that since World War I has increasingly accepted the role of left-wing bagmen for capitalism. However it has organic links with the workers' movement and often workers see it as "their" party. This means that sometimes it's useful for revolutionaries to offer them critical support in elections, even though we have no illusions in their ability to bring about socialism, as it lets us talk to these workers and show them that the social democratic leadership is not what it claims to be. In situations of mass radicalization these parties sometimes take in whole layers of radicalizing workers, at which point revolutionaries have used the tactic of entryism to win over these workers to a revolutionary program.

[RATM-Eubie]

Yep caught me

[#FF0000]

Yep caught me

so, are you a revolutionary socialist or what, guy?

[Demogorgon]

Be wary of simplistic answers to these questions. American parties, particularly the Democratic Party, are so broad you can't really say anything about what5 they collectively stand for. The majority of elected officeholders for both parties are strongly pro-capitalist, but that is the best answer you can get to this question.

[RATM-Eubie]

so, are you a revolutionary socialist or what, guy?

Oh my bad i read this post wrong. I thought it said something about Democratic Socialists in there... Read it wrong.
I would have to say yes although some of them have semi progressive ideas... But yes they do support capitalism, but some support a pretty regulated version of capitalism..

[PhoenixAsh]

Be wary of simplistic answers to these questions. American parties, particularly the Democratic Party, are so broad you can't really say anything about what5 they collectively stand for. The majority of elected officeholders for both parties are strongly pro-capitalist, but that is the best answer you can get to this question.

You can say exactly what they collectively stand for...you can not say waht individual democrats stand for.

There is a huge difference.

[Bud Struggle]

Are the Democrats and the Social Democracy types just frontmen for the Capitalists ?

Be wary of over complicated answers!

And the answer is yes. Everything is a frontman for Capitalism. The Russian Revolution was a frontman for eventual Capitalism. Communist China was a frontman for Capitalist China.

It seems from practical expericence that all Socialist Revolutions evolve (or devolve) into Capitalist societies. Democrats and Social Democrats are just a milder form of the same.

Eventually everyone comes home to momma.

[RGacky3]

Be wary of over complicated answers!

Be even more wary of over simplified non-backed-up-with-facts-or-reasoning answer.

[Pretty Flaco]

In the USA, Social Democrats are considered "far left".
Social democracy is still a step forward from US style capitalism.

[eric922]

That's the truth. The U.S. system is hardly better than serfdom for some people.

[Bud Struggle]

Be even more wary of over simplified non-backed-up-with-facts-or-reasoning answer.

Everything turns into Capitalism in the end. It just takes a bit of time.

[RGacky3]

So you really believe this is the End of History ... I'm pretty sure people thought that at every moment in history.

BTW, your seaming to miss that Capitalism right now is failing in its fundementals.

[Agent Ducky]

Na, I think a lot of them really don't like capitalism that much but don't see radical ideologies as feasible/viable so they turn to reformist solutions. some of them really do respect the interests of the working class but stop short of radical ideologies.

[RATM-Eubie]

In the USA, Social Democrats are considered "far left".
Social democracy is still a step forward from US style capitalism.

Agree.

[JTB]

Not all.

Some of them do or did have ideals to help with the working class. There are some who got corrupted by corporations and power.

For me I chose Social Democracy because as of now. The United States can't change into Socialism. Socialism is a great idea, but if it's poorly implented. The USA could just become like USSR, Cuba, or even yet an backwards socialist ideals like Lybia or Baathist Syria or Iraq.

It's better to have capitalism domesticated to work for the people's well being than the well being of the rich. FDR basically grabbed the capitalist system and muzzled it. He had like 40 great years of economic stability due too FDR regulations. All that is all gone now due too Regan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, and now Obama.

We got some good Democrats right now: Barney Frank and America's only official democratic socialist Bernie Sanders (Sanders is an independent, but cacauses with the Democrats).

How, exactly are you defining socialism? As a stage of socio-economic development and/or the systems emerging therefrom (characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.), socialism would indeed include social democracy/welfare-state capitalism.

By that standard, America's became a world superpower as a socialist nation, what with numerous social safety nets in place and steep progressive taxes.

[JTB]

Be wary of simplistic answers to these questions. American parties, particularly the Democratic Party, are so broad you can't really say anything about what5 they collectively stand for..

Yes, you can. They stand for their own political power and whatever's good for the people paying for their reelection campaign.

There is no meaningful difference between the Republican and Democratic factions. The only differences I see is the details regarding what special interests pays each side off more often. Much of the time, as with the oil companies, the same groups pay off both sides just to be sure.

It's called corporatism. It's the natural evolution of capitalism and a stepping stone towards a new age of open fascism.

[progressive_lefty]

In my opinion Social Democracy, emphasises the social and democratic parts of society, it has nothing to do with capitalism or the free market. I personally believe that some elements of capitalism can be useful, but I stress ONLY some elements. The United States is one of the few developed countries in the world that hasn't embraced the social democratic policies of Sweden, Norway, UK, Australia, Denmark, Germany.......