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    You don't have to be a Maoist organization to favor Mao. Most of the members I've met of the PSL are in favor of Mao. Do you deny this?
    PSL members uphold Mao as a revolutionary leader. We recognize the Chinese Revolution as a monumental historical event that initiated socialist construction in China. However, Mao's criticisms of the Soviet Union were baseless and the Sino-Soviet split was a tragedy for the socialist movement, in that it divided the international socialist bloc. Today, we defend China from imperialist intervention, dismemberment and counterrevolution.

    We don't uphold Mao's characterization of the Soviet Union as capitalist. That's why we're Marxist-Leninists.
    The basic ideas of Marxism, upon which alone a revolutionary party can be constructed, are continuous in their application and have been for a hundred years. The ideas of Marxism, which create revolutionary parties, are stronger than the parties they create, and never fail to survive their downfall. They never fail to find representatives in the old organizations to lead the work of reconstruction. These are the continuators of the tradition, the defenders of the orthodox doctrine. The task of the uncorrupted revolutionists, obliged by circumstances to start the work of organizational reconstruction, has never been to proclaim a new revelation – there has been no lack of such Messiahs, and they have all been lost in the shuffle – but to reinstate the old program and bring it up to date.
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    I just thought I'd clarify something on the platforms I'm reading. They are all from the various parties current websites so I'm assuming their up to date.
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    If you haven't studied all (or at least most) of the left parties in the US, don't join one until you have. Plus it depends what you want from a party.
    World Socialists are the party I would join.
    Platforms can always be vague (programs are generally more specific) and opportunistic, so if you can get a plurality of views (Wikipedia etc.) it helps.
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    That said, if DeLeonist politics do end up appealing, either the IWW, Workers International Industrial Union, or possibly the SP-USA as well, might be good organisational fits. The SP has at least a couple former SLPers in its ranks who are still basically DeLeonists.
    I don't know if the IWW might be a good fit for a DeLeonist, mainly because the IWW as a union rejects political action in favor of direct action. The Workers' International Industrial Union (WIIU) split apart from the IWW in 1908 to work as a political union aligned with the Socialist Labor Party. The WIIU was revived last year as a DeLeonist industrial union, but I have no clue how large their numbers are, certainly much smaller than the IWW.
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    Even though I'm opposed to parties in general, I wouldn't mind if the SLP (or a new DeLeonist party, though I like the original name) came back. I'm interested in DeLeonism. I'm also interested in seeing if the new WIIU will grow. They're making branches in several different spots, including Texas, Iowa, Florida, and Minnesota.
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    CP-USA is generally not popular among most of the American left because they typically support the Democratic Party in most elections, buying into the "lesser of two evils" race to the bottom.

    SP-USA has many tendencies ranging from social democrats to revolutionary socialists, and has some degree of popularity on the left (certainly more than CP-USA at least). I hope you've been reading about other parties on the American left, because there's tons of socialist/communist parties.
    Just a clarification, SP-USA does not allow social democrat's "officially" in the party, but it's easy to see there are some in the party.
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    If you want to look into a party that Glenn Beck called "the enemy within" and the racist John Birch Society called "the most active communist party today", look into the Party for Socialism and Liberation. www.PSLweb.org
    Well, Beck is scatter shot and will attack whatever socialist group is in his sights for the day. He's gone after ISO, PSL, SPUSA, etc.

    The Birchers are probably correct. From what I see, PSL is definitely the most active group in the American left. I have two rather serious differences with the organization, that would probably keep me from joining them if I were in the market for a new group, but I work with them on most occasions I'm able.

    The real question you should consider is, who is in your area and what are they doing? Being the only member of a group in your area sux week-dead donkey nostrils.
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    Just a clarification, SP-USA does not allow social democrat's "officially" in the party, but it's easy to see there are some in the party.
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    PSL members uphold Mao as a revolutionary leader. We recognize the Chinese Revolution as a monumental historical event that initiated socialist construction in China. However, Mao's criticisms of the Soviet Union were baseless and the Sino-Soviet split was a tragedy for the socialist movement, in that it divided the international socialist bloc. Today, we defend China from imperialist intervention, dismemberment and counterrevolution.

    We don't uphold Mao's characterization of the Soviet Union as capitalist. That's why we're Marxist-Leninists.
    I know this very well. All I stated was that if he was looking into a organization that favored Lenin and Mao, then the PSL's a best bet. Since the PSL doesn't really favor Stalin as much as the FRSO and others, the PSL was the logical choice for someone who only favors Lenin and Mao, but not Stalin. I didn't intend to make it out as if I was saying the PSL's a Maoist organization. You know me well enough to know I wouldn't make that mistake.

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    The real question you should consider is, who is in your area and what are they doing? Being the only member of a group in your area sux week-dead donkey nostrils.
    That is my biggest problem. I'm in east TN which is pretty much the heart of the Bible-belt and conservatism. Theses are the people who run campaign adds talking about stopping Obama's socialist machine. So I'm kind of alone out here.
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    I really, really hate to suggest this, but Solidarity is active in East TN. The organizer in the area is much better than the group, though.
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    I don't know if the IWW might be a good fit for a DeLeonist, mainly because the IWW as a union rejects political action in favor of direct action. The Workers' International Industrial Union (WIIU) split apart from the IWW in 1908 to work as a political union aligned with the Socialist Labor Party. The WIIU was revived last year as a DeLeonist industrial union, but I have no clue how large their numbers are, certainly much smaller than the IWW.
    I don't disagree about the IWW and DeLeonists not being the best fit, but to be honest I was kind of reaching for potential groups, since the SLP is more or less dead and there aren't any other "pure" DeLeonist options out there (at least to my knowledge.) That said, the IWW is open to basically all workers regardless of their politics otherwise, so it doesn't seem like too much of a stretch; I'd identify as a Leninist in some respects (and am very pro-party otherwise), but I'm a member of the IWW as well as the SP-USA and don't see much contradiction. I just know better than to ask the IWW as a whole to support any of our candidates
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    I really, really hate to suggest this, but Solidarity is active in East TN. The organizer in the area is much better than the group, though.
    I know someone who is part of it, he is a Trotskyist. He is also part of the Progressive Student Allaince at UT which is where I first got interested in. Marxism. What is wrong with Solidarity by the way?
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    I know someone who is part of it, he is a Trotskyist. He is also part of the Progressive Student Allaince at UT which is where I first got interested in. Marxism. What is wrong with Solidarity by the way?
    Solidarity seems to have a sizable base of members, but they intervene in struggles in such an odd manner that it weirds me out. I've never had a member of Solidarity tell me they were a member of Solidarity. They tend to do united front action, but they don't really focus on building a revolutionary party in Leninist terms.
    The basic ideas of Marxism, upon which alone a revolutionary party can be constructed, are continuous in their application and have been for a hundred years. The ideas of Marxism, which create revolutionary parties, are stronger than the parties they create, and never fail to survive their downfall. They never fail to find representatives in the old organizations to lead the work of reconstruction. These are the continuators of the tradition, the defenders of the orthodox doctrine. The task of the uncorrupted revolutionists, obliged by circumstances to start the work of organizational reconstruction, has never been to proclaim a new revelation – there has been no lack of such Messiahs, and they have all been lost in the shuffle – but to reinstate the old program and bring it up to date.
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    I'm pretty sure I've heard of every socialist party and organization in the United States except Solidarity.
    I've never had a member of Solidarity tell me they were a member of Solidarity.
    Aaaaaannnnddddd that probably helps as to why I'm clueless about them.
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    I've never had a member of Solidarity tell me they were a member of Solidarity.
    That's pretty funny.
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    That's pretty funny.
    I know, right? I'd been working with a group of people in Ohio for a while and I found out several months into a project that they were Solidarity members. However, Chegitz might have over criticisms of Solidarity that I'm not aware of.
    The basic ideas of Marxism, upon which alone a revolutionary party can be constructed, are continuous in their application and have been for a hundred years. The ideas of Marxism, which create revolutionary parties, are stronger than the parties they create, and never fail to survive their downfall. They never fail to find representatives in the old organizations to lead the work of reconstruction. These are the continuators of the tradition, the defenders of the orthodox doctrine. The task of the uncorrupted revolutionists, obliged by circumstances to start the work of organizational reconstruction, has never been to proclaim a new revelation – there has been no lack of such Messiahs, and they have all been lost in the shuffle – but to reinstate the old program and bring it up to date.
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    Is this the same solidarity as the one that was in Poland? ive seen people in my area with the Polish solidarity logo on their pins at left-wing rallys.

    if that is the case, then i would say a problem with them is they basically opened the door for an extremely right-wing period in poland that still exists.
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    Is this the same solidarity as the one that was in Poland? ive seen people in my area with the Polish solidarity logo on their pins at left-wing rallys.

    if that is the case, then i would say a problem with them is they basically opened the door for an extremely right-wing period in poland that still exists.
    Nope.
    http://www.solidarity-us.org/
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