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    Just pick up a used introduction to cultural anthropology. It will cover this.
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    The Radical Anthropology Group bases itself on Engels' work in the earlier mentioned Origins of the Family, Private Property and the State with modern scientific evidence.
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    However there are still primitive societies still in existence and they can be and have been observed
    there are also quite a few who have resisted all attempts at communication, which is kind of cool.
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    The guy you're arguing with sounds like he is old. Is he old?
    kind of ageist bro
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    The guy you're arguing with sounds like he is old. Is he old?

    Yeah, he's pretty old.

    Usually old people just dismiss me as young and naive.


    kind of ageist bro
    Well, we can't really deny that there is a significant number of elderly who tend to be more conservative and authoritarian than 'everyone else'. And by old, I mean old.
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    I got into a debate which I lost due to lack of knowledge. Some of the main points the guy made were:

    I'd like you to adress these points accordingly:

    1. Prove that humans lived in classless, primitive communist society in which the people owned the means of production together! From what I hear, people murdered each other like animals!


    2. It has been PROVEN that human nature is in favor of capitalism. humans are naturally selfish, greedy, ect.

    3. You ALWAYS need someone to lead. Same goes for a factory. You ALWAYS need someone to lead a factory, and you always need a leader or else you get CHAOS.
    1. All humans lived as hunter-gathering groups until what is termed the 'neolithic revolution' (c. 8000-5000 BCE) when the evidence shows the emergence of a settled agricultural mode of production in several parts of the world. To put this in context it means that for 99 per cent of our history as a species we have lived as hunter-gatherers. There are still some groups of hunter-gatherers today, though they are much marginalised and may well disappear this century, but setting aside the issue of their 'contamination' by the modern world, they offer some evidence of the community-based subsistence life all our ancestors evolved through.

    2. References to 'human nature' should always be treated with caution, not least because humans have historically shown themselves capable of living in all kinds of different ways, but also because the kinds of 'human nature' we express are easily driven by the kinds of environments we exist within. In short, capitalist society encourages (even demands) selfishness and rewards greed, so we tend to behave accordingly or suffer the consequences. Aside from this, there is simply no way to establish 'human nature' outside of an economic and social context and which in turn reveals a particular kind of 'human nature'.

    3. Lots of institutions are organised through committees and consultation processes. We may need leadership but that leaves an awful lot of room for different kinds of leadership.
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