Ah, the old argument about proving one's leftist purity by wearing leaves and eating nuts and berries - isn't that right Jurhael? Time to post those quotes of yours again.
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You know what is great about capitalism. There is even a market for a demographic such as yours. Che t-shirts, anarchist merchandise, and vacuous leftist music. So join me in celebrating capitalism. You know how, by denouncing what I say on this forum while using your ISP and your phone line and listening to the television, or perhaps the CD of revolution rock that you just bought for 20 bucks.
Che Guevara wannabe
Ah, the old argument about proving one's leftist purity by wearing leaves and eating nuts and berries - isn't that right Jurhael? Time to post those quotes of yours again.
It cannot but be supportive, socialist, communist or whatever you want to call it. Does nature, and the human species with it, have much time left to survive in the absence of such change? Very little time. Who will be the builders of that new world? The
Monay is a necessity of life. Building a sociaety that is based totally on the all-mighty dollar is just insanity. Remember? Money IS the root of all evil.
(Edited by ViktorPravda at 2:10 pm on Oct. 8, 2001)
Ask not what your country can do for you, or what you can do for your country. Ask what you can do for one another.
Yes exaclty Choncho... the other most comon phrase is, " If you don't love America then get out." People just can understand one wanting to change the system from inside. Gods, you don't have to live without capitalism in order to change it! Socialism to me doesn't mean that everyone will be poor and without possessions... it means no one will be poor and without possessions!
In Solidarity,
RC
(claps) Thank you! Much better statement than mine. Easier to understand.
Ask not what your country can do for you, or what you can do for your country. Ask what you can do for one another.
Anyway one of the best ways to destroy capitalism is with money.
If some leftist multi-billionairre gave all of his money to loads of African countries, developed them, equiped their armies, gave them HIV treatments, improved education, allowed them to plough up the cash crops and feed their own people then the price rises in the west would be so great that we wouldn't be able to stop the inflation which would lead to money becoming worthless.
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Check this out...
Gates loses faith in computers
They can't cure world's ills, admits Microsoft boss
by Edward Helmore in New York and Robin McKie in London Observer
Sunday November 5, 2000
Microsoft boss Bill Gates has renounced the machine that has made him the world's richest man. In a startling proclamation, Gates has announced that computers can do little to solve the planet's gravest social ills.
'The world's poorest two billion people desperately need healthcare, not laptops,' he said.
The declaration represents a major personal transformation for Gates, and has sent shockwaves through America's high-tech business community. Had the Pope renounced Catholicism, the surprise would not have been greater.
Speaking in Seattle at a conference on using computers to help the Third
World, Gates said he still had faith in the ideal that technology could bring about a better world, but added that he doubted that computers - or global capitalism - could solve the most immediate catastrophes facing the world's poorest people.
People who thought that developing countries could benefit from the e-economy had no idea what it meant to live on $1 a day with no electricity, said Gates. 'You're just buying food; you're trying to stay alive.'
The billionaire technologist became positively vitriolic about the idea of using computers in the Third World: 'Mothers are going to walk right up to that computer and say, "My children are dying, what can you do?" They're not going to sit there and, like, browse eBay or something.
'What they want is for their children to live. Do you really have to put in computers to figure that out?'
For a man who has benefited more than anyone from the IT revolution, this reappraisal is extraordinary and comes after several months of growing disillusionment in Gates about the state of the planet, and the potential for technology to help it out of its current crisis.
He confessed he had been 'naive - very naive' when he began giving away his fortune six years ago. At that time, he said, he expected that computers and information technology would make up the bulk of his philanthropic donations. 'Computers are amazing in what they can do, but they have to be put into the perspective of human values,' he said.
Having visited Africa and other Third World countries his priorities had now shifted, he said. At least two-thirds of the grants offered by the $21 billion Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation would now be devoted to Third World healthcare and the development and distribution of vaccines.
In the past year the Gates Foundation has given more than $200 million to health-related causes, including $25m for the International Aids Vaccine
Initiative, $50m to prevent maternal and child mortality, $20m for international family planning efforts and $100m towards children's vaccines. 'As a father of two children, thinking about the medicines that I take for granted which are not available elsewhere, that sort of rises to the top of the list.'
These remarks have angered many of Gates's wealthy, hi-tech philanthropist counterparts. They say he has unfairly placed computers at odds with providing food and healthcare in developing countries. Others argue that
Gates is wrong to think that technology cannot help improve even the poorest people's lives.
'After listening to three days of serious analysis and work, and then to have Gates rather flippantly say, "You've got to have clean water and food" -that wasn't exactly furthering the point of the entire meeting,' said Sun Microsystems chief research officer John Gage, who heads Netday, a charity committed to wiring the world's classrooms to the internet.
Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2000
It cannot but be supportive, socialist, communist or whatever you want to call it. Does nature, and the human species with it, have much time left to survive in the absence of such change? Very little time. Who will be the builders of that new world? The
rich ppl are very money minded its hard to change but not impossible i hope that gates gives away his enitre fortune, only keep the freedom food and shelter. if he doesnt he is still capitalist and we should worry for idiolizing him. it could be a commercial stunt then!
rich ppl are only ok if they give away all there money wich they stole from the poor !
dont listen to the money to solve shit. like we will first kill the envoirment and then with the money we make we will fix it again. dont be fooled please!!
respect equality liberation imagine
"Socialism to me doesn't mean that everyone will be poor and without possessions... it means no one will be poor and without possessions!" Red Celtic
"We can drive, wear clothes, and have electricity and be responsible, humane, and careful people, too." Ivy Green
"The concept that everyone calling for
social responsibility, or limits on pollution & toxics,
should just wear leaves, boil river water to drink,
and live on nuts and berries, comes up regularly.
And always, I find it profoundly silly." Ivy Green
well socialism in just the 1 st world will be like that but waht if we cant buy coffe computers and cars so cheap any more we will have less cash not saying we are poor them heck we are even richer ( mind ! )
respect equality liberation imagine
As I have said before, there is nothing wtrong with people making money. There is no need to make billions on people who make thousands. It is nice to see the money going to the needy though. He may be a capitalist, but maybe he is growing a heart. Like I said, there needs to be a middle ground where all can benefit.
Ask not what your country can do for you, or what you can do for your country. Ask what you can do for one another.
Ah, that's them - thank you Jurhael!
...love the addition of RedCeltic's well articulated point.
It cannot but be supportive, socialist, communist or whatever you want to call it. Does nature, and the human species with it, have much time left to survive in the absence of such change? Very little time. Who will be the builders of that new world? The
when you are getting much money you will be the same hypcotrity messenger as john lennon or RATM ,. was che rich or ghandi or any of the other ppl you are idiolizing. i dont believe in that shit that its ok to be rich, ppl who say that will MORE easily sell out on their ideals
respect equality liberation imagine
Pragmatism is just as important as ideals. Want another quote?
"I'd rather an imperfect individual who at least points out the problems of the world than a perfect one who stays silent." MaxMin
ooohhh... I like that one even more... Jurhael
In Solidarity,
RC
if money is the root of all evil; and time is money; then does that mean that time is the root of all evil?
anyone seen that movie?
\"I believe in the brotherhood of man, all men, but I don’t believe in brotherhood with anybody who doesn’t want brotherhood with me. I believe in treating people right, but I’m not going to waste my time trying to treat somebody right who doesn’t know how
What movie was that in?
Ask not what your country can do for you, or what you can do for your country. Ask what you can do for one another.
but
you can't go to a protest
against imperialism with
nike and nokia, drinking coca cola.
for the love of love
I agree with that drunktank
It cannot but be supportive, socialist, communist or whatever you want to call it. Does nature, and the human species with it, have much time left to survive in the absence of such change? Very little time. Who will be the builders of that new world? The
Well, I don't go to protests, so I don't worry about that! :b
And I just figure, if I don't like something, I don't use it anymore. *shrugs*
I also don't think that leftists are anti-soda or anti-fast food. More like anti-the way it's being done.
But try telling that to extremists, radicals and right wingers. heh
(Edited by Jurhael at 3:18 am on Oct. 11, 2001)
