What is your opinion of the American Revolutionary War my opinion is that while many

[William Howe]

"has been portrayed as a handful of farmers slaughtering 5,000,000 Redcoats then instantly winning freedom".

About the size of the whole UK population in the North at the time

Yet The Patriot makes it look that way, doesn't it?

[RGacky3]

Slavery and serfdom were largely abolished along with the onset of the industrial age as the machines replaced the manual labour. In fact, there is a whole perspective on the American Civil War that saw it, albeit cynically, as nothing more than the attempt to smash the South economically and provide cheap labour for the factories of the North- the rest was just lip service.

Nope farms in the south were still worked by hand. Abolishionis was a huge part of it.

But I'm missing your point, what is it, should we just all give up because its pointless?

[ComradeMan]

Nope farms in the south were still worked by hand. Abolishionis was a huge part of it.

But I'm missing your point, what is it, should we just all give up because its pointless?

So you deny there was not a massive influx of black labour, former slaves, to the northern industrial areas such as Detroit?

Gacky, you can't just ignore historical events at whim.

[RGacky3]

So you deny there was not a massive influx of black labour, former slaves, to the northern industrial areas such as Detroit?

Where did I ever deny that?

But again ... Whats your point, whats the point your trying to make?

[Red Bayonet]

Well did they abolish property rights? No they entrenched property rights. Did they pass the means of production into the hands of the workers? No they didn't? They could be seen as the death throws of the old regime in a sense.

Gacky, the Cuban revolution- although it replaced a worse regime did not exactly liberate the Cuban people that much, did it? As for Venezuela- well, it's far too early to comment.

Of course not. It was a bourgeois revolution. And a 'proletariat' as such did not exist at the time.(The Industrial Revolution was rather late in reaching American shores).

[ComradeMan]

Where did I ever deny that?

But again ... Whats your point, whats the point your trying to make?

Your previous comment on the abolition of slavery due to violent struggle completed ignored the material and economic reasons for it.

[RGacky3]

I said that struggle was a huge part of it.

BUT AGAIN .... WHATS YOUR POINT???

[the last donut of the night]

the civil war was much more progressive than the war for independence

[danyboy27]

It was essentially something the american upper class crafted when they understood that they could have their cake and eat it too
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After a the war against france, the rich colonists realised that they really didnt need the brittish, and could rule over america, and get richer once it would be all over.

No more taxes to control their exportation now, they could do whatever they wanted.

the america ''popular'' uprising attracted only 30% of the population, the rest where against the war or neutral toward it.

[L.A.P.]

Yet The Patriot makes it look that way, doesn't it?

I watched the "Patriot" in world history honors class (before you start assuming, the whole point was to point out the historical inaccuracies). I said to my teacher that the movie seems like that had it been released a couple years earlier, those British would have been Russian.

[Agent Ducky]

Oppression is replaced with more oppression. It's kind of depressing. Quoting "Cruel leaders are replaced only to have new leaders turn cruel." I think that's applicable to what happened here. "Let's escape British oppression so we can go own the Natives! Yeah!"