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    Sexism, transphobia, and homophobia, have both an organized, institutional form which manifests as social oppression, and they also have an individual psychological/inter-personal form which manifests as personal prejudice and bigotry.

    The institutional and individual forms are of course, closely related - people who actively work to maintain or expand social oppression very often (but not always) also exhibit personal prejudice - and people who exhibit personal prejudice typically (though not always) also support social/political/governmental oppression.

    However these two forms remain distinct phenomena. An individual personally assuming that because someone is a member of group x, they have y attributes, is materially different from a government or economic system or social institution arranging society in such a way that being a member of group x means that one is likely to lack z privileges or to possess w burdens or disadvantages.

    This distinction is generally relevant for issues of social struggle that are irreducible to simple worker vs capitalist struggle (including racism, xenophobia, homophobia, sexism, transphobia, islamophobia, anti-semitism, etc.) since these distinctions are applicable in any case that is characterized by both social oppression and personal prejudice, and we can see that in many cases social oppression will be the predominant area where struggle occurs and in others, personal prejudice is (such as in the use of 'culture war' for electoral politics).




    The specific relevance here, when asking whether transphobia is closer to sexism or closer to homophobia, is that on an institutional level all three are elements of the same social institution, patriarchy, whereas on an individual level the way that patriarchal ideology affects any individual person's psychology and circumstances varies.

    Sexism on the institutional level on its most extreme form as seen in feudal and islamist societies where women are legally owned by their husbands and fathers (under either a now abolished western law of coveture or an Islamic legal theory) is the legal enforcement, by the state, of patriarchy in its strongest form. This legally privileges men generally over women generally, while giving the strongest legal privileges to male relatives/owners of women. The result is that men enjoy greater comfort, enjoyment, and and life quality than women, and in part this is directly a result of women's legally enforced inferior status: by legally requiring that women are subservient to men, a great portion of the male population possess defacto domestic/sex slaves.* Consequently, a great portion of the male population has an actual socio-economic interest, a class interest, in maintaining women's legally subordinate status.

    Less dramatic institutional sexism is found in laws that functionally serve to keep women inferior to men generally, but do not directly give individual men dominion over individual women. These include laws restricting abortion and divorce, laws forbidding women from joining certain professions or inheriting property in societies where men can do those things, etc. As a function of these legally imposed socio-economic disadvantages, women have less financial and social capital, and as a result are led to subordinate themselves to individual men. These men then gain the advantages of having defacto domestic/sex servants - and so a socio-economic or class interest exists in a large portion of the male population to keep a large portion of the female population oppressed in these ways.

    Less dramatic still is the institutional sexism found in pay gaps that encourage a division of domestic labor, where it simply seems "logical" for the lower earning power female partner to make the "choice" stay home more of the time to take care of children - or to stay home all the time to "take care of the household." The subtler version of this is social invention of new seemingly necessary tasks for one partner in a household to do: clothing "must" be washed each time they are worn, sheets "must" be washed frequently, carpets must be cleaned and houses dusted frequently...when contemporary inventions threatened to "liberate" women from these socially invented busy tasks, the society responded by inventing new tasks. While it used to be thought that children could walk around the neighborhood and do homework on their own - after housework was simplified - social necessity required instead that children 'must' be supervised at all times by an adult, that they could not play on their own away from adult supervision, that they need adults to do their homework with them, that they need a constant parade of adult supervised and managed afterschool and pre-school activities - that formula feeding as opposed to breast feeding is child abuse or negligence (thereby compelling women to spend an inordinate amount of time on infant care while creating a fake justification for why men can't do it). All of these add up together to keep women dependent on and subordinate too their male partners - providing those male partners with a significant interest in maintaining that relationship of subordination.


    How does individual prejudice fit into the picture of the institutionally sexist oppression of patriarchy?

    Because this inequality is fundamentally at odds with most people's natural conception of justice and at odds with official bourgeois liberal ideology. No one can argue "I want my wife to be subordinate to me because it makes my life easier at her expense" in public political discourse and few can even admit that to themselves. People act on class interests without articulating them or even being totally aware of them however. Instead people will make things up like "The bible says the husband is the head of the family although men and women are equal" or "life begins at conception" if they are religious or they will make things up like "women are just naturally more nurturing then men" or "its important for children for their mother to take care of them in those vital first years" if they are liberals or phony leftists.
    Many people will actually come to believe these claims, even people who are personally disadvantaged by them like house wives who may prefer the devil they know to the devil they don’t. Even feminists who adopting ‘difference feminists’ who genuinely want to fight sexism will sometimes actually adopt patriarchal ideology through errors in their analysis (the error is that they falsely essentialize as supposedly feminine characteristics, what are in fact characteristics of domestic subordination and enculturation for future domestic subordination).
    The result of all of this is to provide the ideological and social basis for consolidating and enforce patriarchal family relations…to keep women in a subordinate relationship to their male partners. The benefit runs not directly to capitalism but to men of all classes, but the relationship between male and female partners is a class relationship characterized by differing socio-economic statuses and a power differential between them based on these statuses.

    In this context, we can understand that homophobia and transphobia in the west are, like individual sexism, ways of reinforcing patriarchal relations. When homosexual relationships are devalued in comparison to heterosexual relationships – the functional effect is to encourage monogamous, reproductive heterosexual relationships, the type of relationships that produce patriarchal family relations. It is a way of targeting people for openly abandoning patriarchal relationships. Gay people are also generally hated because a large portion of the gay population emulates behavior associated with the opposite sex and this undermines gender essentialism, the belief that certain behaviors are male (or masculine) and certain behaviors are female (or feminine) – and without gender essentialism the ideology supporting patriarchy loses much of its justification. Similarly transphobia functionally targets people who avoid patriarchal family relationships since transgender people do not procreate (and childcare is a primary fulcrum for male-female division of domestic labor and hence, patriarchy) and they are interpreted as providing evidence that people can radically reject the rigid gender roles that conservatives assume are natural.**

    The individual bigot however, may adopt certain prejudicial beliefs without adopting other prejudicial beliefs, so it is possible to be specifically transphobic but not homophobic, or homophobic but not transphobic**, or sexist but not homophobic, or homophobic but not sexist, and so on – at the individual level. On the institutional level however, individual sexism, homophobia and transphobia all serve to reinforce and reproduce patriarchal relationships, they are all manifestations of a deeper social phenomenon. By looking at how the three forms of prejudice functionally relate to the deep structure of society we can see how they related to each other (why for example, most institutions that suffer from one suffer from the other two) – and by seeing these interconnections feminists and other leftists can better fight them.







    *slave here is used in the sense of an individual legally bound to personally serve and obey another without compensation or through due process of law. There have been many slaves in history, the term does not apply specifically to the institution of black slavery in the American south. Slavery is a legally enforced relationship between a master and a subservient - it doe snot necessarily imply chattel slavery- which is to say that masters may not be able to sell their bound persons' on the market just as people own certain thi ngs they are disallowed from selling.



    ** though an alternative employed by Iran is to decide that people who don’t conform to expected gender roles for women or men must be members of the opposite sex, forcing gay and other non-conforming people to be members of the opposite sex so that the society does not need to tolerate ‘masculine’ women and ‘feminine’ men.
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    you forgot domestic violence
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    The fact is that having experienced both I can point out that sexism and transphobia are much closer than it seems. I've experienced some of the worst sides of patriarchy having my history as someone who's had to put a monetary price on her own body, it's something I hope I never have to do again. I've been attacked more times than I can count in more situations than I can remember. I've been harmed in enough ways.

    I've ended up in a position with most of my past relationships (both straight and lesbian) of being controlled and treated like a possession. However it has become something I'm so used to that I'm intimidated by anything else.

    The experience of the population of transwomen does vary drastically. There are different shades of many levels of privilege or lack thereof. An example is that with my passability I actually experience less transphobia, on top of that I relate less to anglo transwomen (also anglo cis women) as their experiences are different.
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    It still needs to be demonstrated that patriarchy itself is ultimately a product of class society.

    It is often a mistake to idealise and romanticise pre-class primitive communist societies, but objectively it's true that before class society arose, at least within primitive tribes, social relations and economic relations were generally egalitarian and sexism and queerphobia existed to a much smaller extent.

    However, often the relationships between various tribes can still be very hostile to each other, so racism was relatively speaking a greater factor in those days.

    Regarding "Islamism", not all Islamic societies are the same. Iran is fundamentally different from Saudi Arabia. The latter is an absolute monarchy in which women are legally considered to be inferior. Iran is the product of a revolution itself, albeit a very flawed one, and there is no explicit legal discrimination against women. The sexism women suffer in Iran are due to cultural and institutional factors.
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    you forgot domestic violence
    No I didn't "forget domestic violence" - obviously there are many examples I could have used but I didn't because its not necessary to exhaustively list every example of sexism to explain it structurally.

    Moreover its not obvious to me that domestic violence is sexism as such in all instances as much as it is a particular means of interpersonal control (there is widespread domestic vioelnce from parents against children as well.)
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    isn't it in men's class interests for women to have equality in the workplace, at least? like in the usa unionization was less effective due to sexism that kept women from joining unions. as a result men were less able to get pay raises, etc. and under capitalism men are benefited by women's unpaid labor in the home in a shortsighted(?) way, but capitalists are benefited much more. same as restrictions on abortion. it would be in men's class interest in the longterm to fight for social equality for women as they are needed to overthrow capitalism which oppresses men as workers.
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    The fact is that having experienced both I can point out that sexism and transphobia are much closer than it seems.
    Well my point was precisely that transphobia and sexism (and homophobia) are all closely related to each other in that they are all manifestations of patriarchal ideology.
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    And how did patriarchy arose in the first place, from the perspective of Historical Materialism?

    I think it's quite clear that the emergence of patriarchy itself is intimately linked with the emergence of class society in general.
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    isn't it in men's class interests for women to have equality in the workplace, at least? like in the usa unionization was less effective due to sexism that kept women from joining unions.
    The answer is that it depends.

    Part of what makes capitalism so brutally alienating is precisely that it pits workers against each other in competition for jobs and advancement.

    If a male employee and a female employee are both up for the same promotion or being considered for a redundancy - if the female employee works five hours less a week less than the standard 50 hours then her childcare burdens give him a direct advantage.

    If the female employee is constantly tired from her second domestic shift, that will give the male employee a competitive edge.

    If the female employee can't relocate for work, because she has a husband with a job and men don't typically move for their partners work the way women do...that means he has a competitive advantage and can go where the work is.

    If the male employee further has a wife of his own to take care of all of the domestic busy work - buy groceries, do laundry and dry cleaning, house cleaning, take care of the kid if he has one, etc...he'll gain an additional advantage in coming to work with more rest, recreation and less stress - he'll also be able to stay at work longer which will give him an advantage when it comes to promotions and pay raises and avoiding redundancies.


    Both male workers and female workers of course have a common interest in overthrowing capitalist labor relations...but the perverse way that capitalism works pits workers in direct competition with each other - to get jobs, advance in jobs, and keep their jobs - and patriarchy gives male workers a competitive edge - both because it disadvantages their female coworkers and because it helps them bring more to the workplace - they have an interest in retaining that edge.

    In other words, male and female workers have common interests, but they also have divergent interests - this is one of the ways where the vulgar or reductionistic economisit marxian analysis fails to capture the complexity of real class relations. Class struggle is not in reality a bimodal model of two classes pitted against each other with no genuine divisions of interest within their two camps. It is in fact far more nuanced and multi-layered.


    and under capitalism men are benefited by women's unpaid labor in the home in a shortsighted(?) way,
    Shortsighted? Its been a good deal for the last four thousand years (or, two thousand or one and half thousand years...depending on location)...

    but capitalists are benefited much more.
    Actually its not at all obvious that capitalists do benefit, at all, from having half their potential workforce wasting their time in activities that do little or nothing to expand capitalist profit. They gain something in keeping infants alive with unpaid labor and keeping the population at or above replacement level since this is necessary in the long term to replace their workforce...but the socially necessary child care and domestic labor expected from women is grossly in excess of what is remotely helpful to capitalism.

    Capitalism is not the source of all of societies ills, many of them predate capitalism. Remember, Marx didn't think capitalism was evil. Its not evil. Compared to feudalism, capitalism is revolutionary and liberating!

    Women are far more liberated under capitalism than under older feudal modes of production, and this is in part because keeing half the population as unpaid non-profit generating domestic workers is not profitable and not in capitalist's interests.

    It is in fact, only in the interests of men as husbands and fathers - this is why it is vital to distinguish patriarchy from capitalism, and why the fight against patriarchy can never be collapsed into or equated with the fight against capitalism. It is truly more complicated and more nuanced than that.


    same as restrictions on abortion.
    Again, the capitalists (in societies that don't have a labor shortage) don't actually want a ton of unwanted babies. Thats why the capitalists allowed abortion to be legalized. They are actually less reactionary than patriarchy.

    it would be in men's class interest in the longterm to fight for social equality for women as they are needed to overthrow capitalism which oppresses men as workers.
    Sure, but its typically not in their short term immediate or personal financial interests. These are the interests that normally control people's day to day decisions. Male and female workers have ac common interest in overthrowing capitalism but under capitalism (and feudalism) they have divergent interests because men gain from the oppression of women under pre-socialist economic forms.
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    However, often the relationships between various tribes can still be very hostile to each other, so racism was relatively speaking a greater factor in those days.
    I'm not sure if I'd characterise that as "racism", as such; that implies an attempt to impose a hierarchical system of dominance, while the conflict found between hunter-gatherer tribes generally just amounts to crude Us vs Them-ism.

    And how did patriarchy arose in the first place, from the perspective of Historical Materialism?

    I think it's quite clear that the emergence of patriarchy itself is intimately linked with the emergence of class society in general.
    The best argument I've heard is that when societies grow to the point where there is inter-personal conflict over resources, either in the form of class struggle or between communities, it is men, having a greater general tendency towards aggression and a greater general capacity for physical activity (in a large part because they do not become pregnant), undertook the greater part of the waging of these conflicts, and so received the greater part of the advantages they produced, both social and material, and so to establish a primacy over the less generally advantaged gender. Fiji, for example, was noted by early European explorers for both its harmonious prosperity- it was not large enough to accommodate warring communities, and had no nearby rivals- and it's gender egalitarianism, including what appeared to European eyes somewhat androgynous behaviour and mannerisms on the part of the Fijians; in short, a patriarchy that had been reduced to the vestigial by the lack of conflict which demanded the exaggerated masculinity found in other cultures.

    Of course, that only produces a rough explanation for the recurrence of patriarchy in the broad sense of male primacy, and does not go any way to explaining the incredibly non-uniform attitudes of patriarchal societies towards non-heterosexuality and non-cisgenderism, but I suspect that those are far more complex issues, and the explanations probably depend more greatly on relatively particualr circumstances, and which I am not nearly well informed enough to begin discussing in detail.

    Sure, but its typically not in their short term immediate or personal financial interests. These are the interests that normally control people's day to day decisions. Male and female workers have ac common interest in overthrowing capitalism but under capitalism (and feudalism) they have divergent interests because men gain from the oppression of women under pre-socialist economic forms.
    Actually, I would argue that patriarchy is one of the rare systems of oppression in which the privileged group also ultimately loses out (although, of course, to a far lesser degree) in that their privilege is dependent upon adherence to a construction of masculinity which is almost invariably harmful to the individual. While men are certainly accorded advantages over women, and so are relatively advantaged, the price of this is the performance of a model of masculinity which- just like traditional femininity- systematically annihilates the individual identity and emotions of the men in favour of an off-the-shelf norm, an experience which is very often profoundly alienating. Perhaps this suits the few who would be that way anyway, but, honestly, I think the vast majority of men are ultimately harmed by sexism to a greater degree than they benefit it from it- at least, if we are to understand "gain" as more than the merely material.
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    Sexism, transphobia, and homophobia, have both an organized, institutional form which manifests as social oppression, and they also have an individual psychological/inter-personal form which manifests as personal prejudice and bigotry.

    The institutional and individual forms are of course, closely related - people who actively work to maintain or expand social oppression very often (but not always) also exhibit personal prejudice - and people who exhibit personal prejudice typically (though not always) also support social/political/governmental oppression.

    However these two forms remain distinct phenomena. An individual personally assuming that because someone is a member of group x, they have y attributes, is materially different from a government or economic system or social institution arranging society in such a way that being a member of group x means that one is likely to lack z privileges or to possess w burdens or disadvantages.

    This distinction is generally relevant for issues of social struggle that are irreducible to simple worker vs capitalist struggle (including racism, xenophobia, homophobia, sexism, transphobia, islamophobia, anti-semitism, etc.) since these distinctions are applicable in any case that is characterized by both social oppression and personal prejudice, and we can see that in many cases social oppression will be the predominant area where struggle occurs and in others, personal prejudice is (such as in the use of 'culture war' for electoral politics).

    The specific relevance here, when asking whether transphobia is closer to sexism or closer to homophobia, is that on an institutional level all three are elements of the same social institution, patriarchy, whereas on an individual level the way that patriarchal ideology affects any individual person's psychology and circumstances varies.

    Sexism on the institutional level on its most extreme form as seen in feudal and islamist societies where women are legally owned by their husbands and fathers (under either a now abolished western law of coveture or an Islamic legal theory) is the legal enforcement, by the state, of patriarchy in its strongest form. This legally privileges men generally over women generally, while giving the strongest legal privileges to male relatives/owners of women. The result is that men enjoy greater comfort, enjoyment, and and life quality than women, and in part this is directly a result of women's legally enforced inferior status: by legally requiring that women are subservient to men, a great portion of the male population possess defacto domestic/sex slaves.* Consequently, a great portion of the male population has an actual socio-economic interest, a class interest, in maintaining women's legally subordinate status.

    Less dramatic institutional sexism is found in laws that functionally serve to keep women inferior to men generally, but do not directly give individual men dominion over individual women. These include laws restricting abortion and divorce, laws forbidding women from joining certain professions or inheriting property in societies where men can do those things, etc. As a function of these legally imposed socio-economic disadvantages, women have less financial and social capital, and as a result are led to subordinate themselves to individual men. These men then gain the advantages of having defacto domestic/sex servants - and so a socio-economic or class interest exists in a large portion of the male population to keep a large portion of the female population oppressed in these ways.

    Less dramatic still is the institutional sexism found in pay gaps that encourage a division of domestic labor, where it simply seems "logical" for the lower earning power female partner to make the "choice" stay home more of the time to take care of children - or to stay home all the time to "take care of the household." The subtler version of this is social invention of new seemingly necessary tasks for one partner in a household to do: clothing "must" be washed each time they are worn, sheets "must" be washed frequently, carpets must be cleaned and houses dusted frequently...when contemporary inventions threatened to "liberate" women from these socially invented busy tasks, the society responded by inventing new tasks. While it used to be thought that children could walk around the neighborhood and do homework on their own - after housework was simplified - social necessity required instead that children 'must' be supervised at all times by an adult, that they could not play on their own away from adult supervision, that they need adults to do their homework with them, that they need a constant parade of adult supervised and managed afterschool and pre-school activities - that formula feeding as opposed to breast feeding is child abuse or negligence (thereby compelling women to spend an inordinate amount of time on infant care while creating a fake justification for why men can't do it). All of these add up together to keep women dependent on and subordinate too their male partners - providing those male partners with a significant interest in maintaining that relationship of subordination.

    How does individual prejudice fit into the picture of the institutionally sexist oppression of patriarchy?

    Because this inequality is fundamentally at odds with most people's natural conception of justice and at odds with official bourgeois liberal ideology. No one can argue "I want my wife to be subordinate to me because it makes my life easier at her expense" in public political discourse and few can even admit that to themselves. People act on class interests without articulating them or even being totally aware of them however. Instead people will make things up like "The bible says the husband is the head of the family although men and women are equal" or "life begins at conception" if they are religious or they will make things up like "women are just naturally more nurturing then men" or "its important for children for their mother to take care of them in those vital first years" if they are liberals or phony leftists.

    Many people will actually come to believe these claims, even people who are personally disadvantaged by them like house wives who may prefer the devil they know to the devil they don’t. Even feminists who adopting ‘difference feminists’ who genuinely want to fight sexism will sometimes actually adopt patriarchal ideology through errors in their analysis (the error is that they falsely essentialize as supposedly feminine characteristics, what are in fact characteristics of domestic subordination and enculturation for future domestic subordination).
    The result of all of this is to provide the ideological and social basis for consolidating and enforce patriarchal family relations…to keep women in a subordinate relationship to their male partners. The benefit runs not directly to capitalism but to men of all classes, but the relationship between male and female partners is a class relationship characterized by differing socio-economic statuses and a power differential between them based on these statuses.

    In this context, we can understand that homophobia and transphobia in the west are, like individual sexism, ways of reinforcing patriarchal relations. When homosexual relationships are devalued in comparison to heterosexual relationships – the functional effect is to encourage monogamous, reproductive heterosexual relationships, the type of relationships that produce patriarchal family relations. It is a way of targeting people for openly abandoning patriarchal relationships. Gay people are also generally hated because a large portion of the gay population emulates behavior associated with the opposite sex and this undermines gender essentialism, the belief that certain behaviors are male (or masculine) and certain behaviors are female (or feminine) – and without gender essentialism the ideology supporting patriarchy loses much of its justification. Similarly transphobia functionally targets people who avoid patriarchal family relationships since transgender people do not procreate (and childcare is a primary fulcrum for male-female division of domestic labor and hence, patriarchy) and they are interpreted as providing evidence that people can radically reject the rigid gender roles that conservatives assume are natural.**

    The individual bigot however, may adopt certain prejudicial beliefs without adopting other prejudicial beliefs, so it is possible to be specifically transphobic but not homophobic, or homophobic but not transphobic**, or sexist but not homophobic, or homophobic but not sexist, and so on – at the individual level. On the institutional level however, individual sexism, homophobia and transphobia all serve to reinforce and reproduce patriarchal relationships, they are all manifestations of a deeper social phenomenon. By looking at how the three forms of prejudice functionally relate to the deep structure of society we can see how they related to each other (why for example, most institutions that suffer from one suffer from the other two) – and by seeing these interconnections feminists and other leftists can better fight them.

    *slave here is used in the sense of an individual legally bound to personally serve and obey another without compensation or through due process of law. There have been many slaves in history, the term does not apply specifically to the institution of black slavery in the American south. Slavery is a legally enforced relationship between a master and a subservient - it doe snot necessarily imply chattel slavery- which is to say that masters may not be able to sell their bound persons' on the market just as people own certain thi ngs they are disallowed from selling.

    ** though an alternative employed by Iran is to decide that people who don’t conform to expected gender roles for women or men must be members of the opposite sex, forcing gay and other non-conforming people to be members of the opposite sex so that the society does not need to tolerate ‘masculine’ women and ‘feminine’ men.

    i tend to view Sexism, transphobia, and homophobia as premised upon the capitalist mode of production; an effect of it. capitalism needs compulsory heterosexuality in order to ensure reproduction of the class hierarchy. in the times of Marx and Engels, capitalism needed ''the traditional family'' in order to ensure the privatisation of social services capitalism does not want to pay for; as costs associated with maintnance of communal social services would undermine net margin profitability. In our times, given the dissolution of traditional family structures in the developed capitalist-imperialist nation-states (an outcome of both globalisation and the dynamisation of social mobility); the various western financial oligarchies are willing to allow for the partial abolition of compulsory heterosexuality in the Global North (because capitalism no longer needs the ''traditional family'' there), but only insofar as the resulting arrangements reinforce the process of capital preservation. this is why the left must be critical of the ''marriage equality'' movement, of the quasi-imperialist cult of the ''military macho'' and the branded ''gay scene''.
    we need a critique of ''culture'' premised upon political-economy, which recognises that liberation from compulsory heterosexuality and reproductive fascism is only possible with a change of mode of production from capitalism to socialism. / Miguel.
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