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The devaluation of the human world grows in direct proportion to the increase in value of the world of things. -Karl Marx
Of more value is that you understand and learn to not support your security on your clothes because if you lose everything then what are you left with if all you have is only decorations? What a shame. It surely sounds sad like a condemnation that you base your life on only material shit. Nothing special can be purchased. As the little prince says, “What is essential is invisible to the eye.” - Cultura Profetica [translated by me]
Gaddafi's military dictatorship had actually implemented rather sweeping neoliberal reforms in 1990s and 2000s, so I don't think anyone should be fooled by the fake "socialist" or even "stateless" political facade the Libyan regime still maintains around itself. In fact, Gaddafi's proclamation of "People's Arab Jamahiriya" in 1970s had more to do with the desire to substitute the Italian bourgeoisie and their compradors for his own cronies under the guise of "anti-imperialism" and secure Soviet military aid. Modern Libyan state is, in fact, busy cooperating with IMF and EU - ironically enough, with Berlusconi's Italy in particular.
[FONT="Fixedsys"]History is not like some individual person which uses men to achieve its ends. History is nothing but the actions of men in pursuit of their ends. - Karl Marx.
Only sound common sense, respectable fellow that he is in the homely realm of his own four walls, has very wonderful adventures directly he ventures out into the wide world of research. - Friedrich Engels.
I am by heritage a Jew, by citizenship a Swiss, and by makeup a human being, and only a human being, without any special attachment to any state or national entity whatsoever. - Albert Einstein.[/FONT]
They have a choice between this and being like North Korea. Needless to say they would be criticised whatever happens.
I am under no illusions about the Libyan government, but honestly Gaddafi seems to be more in touch with the people than the other arab leaders. See the thread I'm about to make..
Formerly zenga zenga !
Beautiful ... beautiful ... just beautiful ...
when will the Saudis join the fray????
Gaddafi might have been an asshole, but the facts remain, Libya was, and still, is the most developed African country, except for Mauritius http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UN...ort_2010_1.PNG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...elopment_Index and it was even more of a shining light in an Afrcan wasteland in the past http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...9-1981.svg.png but yes, it has worsened in the recent decades http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...9-1981.svg.png http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...1-2003.svg.png .
I applaud the Libyans for expressing their opinion, but I fear that realistically, the alternatives to Gaddafi are far worse. It shouldn't be like another 1991 (USSR collapse, people especially in Central Asia realizing afterwards how the alternatives for it are far worse). Lybia is not like Egypt, where most woman undergo genital mutilation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_...and_prevalence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_circumcision#Africa .
I oppose any violent revolution, but it's not my job to tell them so. Gaddafi and any dictator must be removed and be replaced with a Democracy.
Didn't be back Ben Ali in Tunisia? Why would a "socialist" do that?
Yes, that's the way of regime's like that. Thankfully that's not our objective.
"I want to say sweet, silly things." - V.I Lenin
I hear shit is going down in Iran too. It looks like the middle east is what Europe used to be before WW1.
[FONT="Courier New"] “We stand for organized terror - this should be frankly admitted. Terror is an absolute necessity during times of revolution. Our aim is to fight against the enemies of the Revolution and of the new order of life. ”
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لا شيء يمكن وقف محاكم التفتيش للثورة
I would agree with you if my mother was not forced by circumstance to flee Ukraine in 1991 because of economy totally collapsing in the 90s as a consequence of the "liberation" of USSR. Your viewpoint is too idealistic, more so, when most US installed "democracies" are extremely corrupt at best and brutal capitalist dictatorships masqueraded as democracies at worst.
'Day of rage' kicks off in Libya
Protesters have reportedly taken to the streets of four cities despite a crackdown, heeding to calls for mass protests.
Last Modified: 17 Feb 2011 07:55 GMT
Protesters in Libya have defied a security crackdown and taken to the streets in four cities for a "day of rage," inspired by uprisings in Egypt and Tunisia, reports say.
Several hundred supporters of Muammar Gaddafi, the country's longtime leader, have also reportedly gathered in the capital on Thursday to counter online calls for anti-government protests.
New York-based Human Rights Watch said that Libyan authorities had detained 14 activists, writers and protesters who had been preparing the anti-government protests.
Libya has been tightly controlled for over 40 years by Gaddafi, who is now Africa's longest-serving leader.
According to reports on Twitter, the microblogging site, Libya's regime had been sending text messages to people warning them that live bullets will be fired if they join today's protests.
Thursday is the anniversary of clashes that took place on February 17, 2006, in the country's second largest city of Benghazi when security forces killed several protesters who were attacking the city's Italian consulate.
Ibrahim Jibreel, a Libyan opposition member based in Barcelona, told Al Jazeera, "I think the demonstrations are going to be rather serious.
"Libyan people have been oppressed for more than 41 years and they see to the west and to the east of them, people have been able to rise and to change their fate."
At least two people were killed in clashes between Libyan security forces and demonstrators on Wednesday, in the town of al-Baida, east of Benghazi.
The victims were identified as Khaled ElNaji Khanfar and Ahmad Shoushaniya.
Angry chants
Wednesday's deaths come as hundreds of protesters reportedly torched police outposts while chanting: "People want the end of the regime."
At least 38 people were also injured in the clashes, including 10 security officials.
"All the people of Baida are out on the streets," a 25-year-old Rabie al-Messrati, who said he had been arrested after spreading a call for protests on Facebook, said.
Violent protests were also reported earlier in the day in Benghazi.
In a telephone interview with Al Jazeera, Idris Al-Mesmari, a Libyan novelist and writer, said that security officials in civilian clothes came and dispersed protesters in Benghazi using tear gas, batons and hot water.
Al-Mesmari was arrested hours after the interview.
Late on Wednesday evening, it was impossible to contact witnesses in Benghazi because telephone connections to the city appeared to be out of order.
State media reported there were pro-Gaddafi protests too across the country, with people chanting "We sacrifice our blood and souls for you, our leader!" and "We are a generation built by Muammar and anyone who opposes it will be destroyed!"
However, Jibreel said, "There are few who come out in support of the dictator in Libya and they are not going to succeed.
"We are trying to get the voices out of Libya, we are trying to get media attention to the plight of the Libyan people, to get the media to focus on the injustices that are happening in Libya.
"We are urging the governments and diplomatic missions that are in Libya to act as observers, to document the abuses that are going to happen and we know that they are going to happen because this is a totalitarian, brutal regime," he added.
As the wave of unrest spread south and westwards across the country, hundreds of people marched through the streets in the southern city of Zentan, 120km south of the capital Tripoli.
They set fire to security headquarters and a police station, then set up tents in the heart of the town.
Chants including "No God but Allah, Muammar is the enemy of Allah," can be heard on videos of demonstrations uploaded to YouTube.
Independent confirmation was not possible as Gaddafi's government keeps tight control over the movements of media personnel.
Online activism
In a country where public dissent is rare, plans for Thursday's protests were being circulated by anonymous activists on social networking sites such as Facebook and Twitter.
One Facebook group urging a "Day of Anger" in Libya, which had 4,400 members on Monday, saw that number more than double to 9,600 by Wednesday.
Social media sites were reportedly blocked for several hours through the afternoon, but access was restored in the evening.
Al Jazeera is understood to have been taken off the state-owned cable TV network, but is still reportedly available on satellite networks.
People posting messages on opposition site www.libya-watanona.com, which is based outside Libya, urged Libyans to protest.
"From every square in our beloved country, people should all come together in one city and one square to make this regime and its supporters afraid, and force them to run away because they are cowards," said a post on the website.
Also calling for reforms are some of Libya's eminent individuals. A group of prominent figures and members of human rights organisations have demanded the resignation of Gaddafi.
The demands came in a statement signed by 213 prominent Libyans from different segments of the society, including political activists, lawyers, students, and government officials.
Oil factor
Though some Libyans complain about unemployment, inequality and limits on political freedoms, analysts say that an Egypt-style revolt is unlikely because the government can use oil revenues to smooth over most social problems.
Libya accounts for about 2 per cent of the world's crude oil exports.
Companies including Shell, BP and Eni have invested billions of dollars in tapping its oil fields, home to the largest proven reserves in Africa.
Source:
Al Jazeera and agencies
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/af...057219793.html
He also called Mubarak "a great man"
Well, he is a nutty dictator. But whatever did he say, he is still better than most of the corrupt despots in the area, and he is far more of a socialist than any of them. If the people overthrow him, and install a socialist democracy there, I will applaud them. But if they overthrow him, and somebody like Anastazio Somoza in Nicaragua takes his place, i'll say they fucked shit up.
video and blog here: http://blogs.aljazeera.net/middle-ea...ive-blog-libya
Live Blog - Libya
Live Blog - Libya
By Al Jazeera Staff in
on February 17th, 2011.
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From our headquarters in Doha, we keep you updated on all things in Libya.
AJE Live Stream - Libya marks 40 years of Gaddafi -
(All times are local in Libya, GMT+2)
9:00pm Oya_libya tweets: if you are in #libya and can’t open youtube, use this DNS server 208.67.222.222 and 208.68.220.220
8:00pm Abdulla Darrat, a Libyan American activist, told Al Jazeera that he is organising a mass Libyan solidarity rally in Washington DC, Los Angeles and Seattle.
7:00pm Hundreds of young Egyptians demonstrate outside Libyan consulate in Alexandria. A statement signed by various political groups – including representatives of the January 25 youth movement – delivered a petition asking Libya to respect popular demand for change and to avoid using violence against protesters.
6:30pm Several hundred people gathered on the fringe of London's Hyde Park, near the Libyan embassy.
At the pro-Gaddafi camp, protesters waved the Libyan flag in front of large posters of their leader and banners praising his adminstration.
Photo by Jacqueline Head
Ibrahim, a 39-year-old lecturer from Libya, said he was there to "protect" his country. "What's happened in Tunisia and Egypt is a different situation to Libya," he said. "Libya is a peaceful country and we are just living as one nation."
Closeby, another group of protesters held placards reading "Get out". Abdulnasser Ashukr from Beghazi in Libya, said he came to support people back in Libya: "We have one message to Gaddafi and his regime: it's time for you to go. There is no other way. It's done. The Libyan people have decided, and they want you out of the country.
Mohamed Abdulmalek, chairman of Libya Watch, a human rights organisation, said he believed there would be a lot of casualties in Libya, and wanted the international community to stand against Gaddafi's government.
"We condemn the brutal use of force in Libya, which the European Union and America and other countries have called upon Libya not to use, but the Libyan state knows no other language.
"They have threatened to use live bullets against citizens. They have even threatened young people to close their Facebook accounts. They have also threatened the heads of tribes," he said.
Photo by Jacqueline Head
6:00pm Abdullah, an eyewitness in Benghazi, told Al Jazeera that he saw six unarmed protesters shot dead by police. He also claimed that the government released 30 people from jail, paying and arming them to fight people in the street.
5:30pm Several hundred supporters of Gaddafi, as well as the leader himself, have also reportedly gathered in the capital, Tripoli, to counter online calls for anti-government protests.
5:15pm AFP news agency reported that six people have been killed in clashes between anti-government protesters and security forces in the coastal city of Benghazi, according to opposition websites.
4:15pm AP news agency reports that at least 14 demonstrators have been killed in clashes with pro-government groups since Wednesday.
9:30am Another video from Albeida from YouTube user MeddiTV
9:20am A video from Zintan from YouTube user MeddiTV
9:00am If you are in Libya and have witnessed protests then send your pictures and videos to [email protected] and [email protected]
6:00am Libya is set for 'day of anger', as the wave of popular unrest that swept away the Tunisian and Egyptian presidents spreads to the oil-exporting north African country ruled by Muammer Gaddafi since 1969.
5:59am Protesters clash with police in Benghazi.
5:58am At least two people have been killed in clashes between Libyan security forces and demonstrators in the town of Bayda, east of Benghazi, the second largest city, as activists plan major anti-government 'day of anger' protests throughout the country on Thursday.
All the people of Beyida are out on the streets, said 25-year-old Rabie al-Messrati, who said he had been arrested after spreading a call for protests on Facebook.
Why, and how, would someone like Somoza take Khadaffi's place?
Luís Henrique
peoples are pissed with authoritatian regime in the region, this is the main point of all those protest.
WHY kléber, WHY!!!!!!!
CIA intervention.
Makes sense, considering how cozy the US State Department and Libya have gotten in recent years.
"Win, lose or draw...long as you squabble and you get down, that's gangsta."
- 2115: A doctor in Benghazi has told the BBC that a senior army officer there has switched sides and joined the protesters. The doctor says that protesters joined by sections of the Libyan army have taken over Benghazi airport. Neither report can be confirmed. The doctor adds that Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi offended tribal loyalties when security forces killed protesters in recent unrest.
WHY kléber, WHY!!!!!!!
Right now my main source for news from Libya is through Twitter.
"RT @ShababLibya I am also getting messages from benghazi, its now like Cairo, where youth are organising traffic & guarding property #Libya"
"Gaddafi pure evil. RT @ShababLibya: caller on radio says sister is a dr & she says patients showing signs of water poisoning #Libya #Feb17"
Amnesty International are reporting 46 deaths in Libya today.
IMO I think Gaddafi is a mad man, he imported mercenaries from Africa to kill his people, and Live ammunition is being fired at protesters. This man would rule over an empty country with no problems.
On the bright side his presidential residence can be removed easily :P
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She was called Palestine.
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