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uh... you really think the revolutionists are socialists? U think this is a revolt against capitalism? The revolutionaries want Libya to be like the USA. They are backed by reactionaries like the ex-monarchy. This is a reaction, not a revolution! The people got sick of their free houses and cushy jobs and now they would rather have a 'new leader' every three years, IE, corporations in control! Fuck anyone who thinks different lol.I love to hear from people on RevLeft who used to claim Libya is a "socialist state" now!
Don't forget their Big Macs and iPods.
"Win, lose or draw...long as you squabble and you get down, that's gangsta."
Yea stupid people not wanting a egomaniac for a leader , who the hell do they think they are! Because any man who threatens to burn his country to the ground before he will leave power must be a swell guy who really cares for the common people.
Just a quick thanks to everyone thats been updating these and the other threads, keep up the good work.
Excuse my spellign
http://mepanalysis.wordpress.com/201...rds-in-one-go/
An analysis of Gaddafi's speech I published on my blog, I would really appreciate if you read it and tell me your opinion feel free to share it with your friends
We have on this earth what makes life worth living:
On this earth, the Lady of Earth
Mother of all beginnings and ends
She was called Palestine.
Her name later became Palestine
My Lady, because you are my Lady, I deserve life
Not to be a heretic or a Gaddafi supporter, but I personally wouldn't wave the old monarchy's flags around:
Look at the nutritional status of Libya during the monarchy in 1961:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wo...ion_1961,2.svg
The regime under which the people starved wasn't Kaddafi's. It was the monarchy.
Here's the nutritional status of Libya under Kaddafi:
1979-1981:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wo..._1979-1981.svg
2001-2003:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wo..._2001-2003.svg
Gaddafi has brought Libya's nutritional level to levels surpassing many 1st world countries, while under the monarchy people ate less than 1600 calories on average, 500 below the minimum and 900 below the optimum.
I wouldn't be surprised if those people waving the monarchist flag around are young, and not aware how much their favourite regime sucked.
I don't support Gaddafi now, because he is a dangerous lunatic. Yet, historically he has accomplished much more for Libya that the monarchy.
Socialists should guide the revolution so that it wouldn't install an even shittier, monarchist regime there.
While terribly articulated, blamelessman's underlying point is correct: this is not a socialist revolution. Neither was Egypt. These are political transformations, not economic revolutions. In short, the means of production are not changing hands.
We need to support these revolts and uprisings, but let us not make mistakes about what's happening.
- August
If we have no business with the construction of the future or with organizing it for all time, there can still be no doubt about the task confronting us at present: the ruthless criticism of the existing order, ruthless in that it will shrink neither from its own discoveries, nor from conflict with the powers that be.
- Karl Marx
http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...052961,00.html
Serious Saddam-style scorched earth tactics possible in Libya, according to that article (there's some good info in it).
"Win, lose or draw...long as you squabble and you get down, that's gangsta."
It's not either the current regime or chaos, it's either the current regime or NATO. This situation is moving very quickly towards NATO stepping in and seizing control in the name of 'stability.'
- August
If we have no business with the construction of the future or with organizing it for all time, there can still be no doubt about the task confronting us at present: the ruthless criticism of the existing order, ruthless in that it will shrink neither from its own discoveries, nor from conflict with the powers that be.
- Karl Marx
Yup it is really comfy behind a computer screen and a keyboard!!
What did you do lately?? Let me guess... nothing??
Well we should also respect the will of the people, if they wanna throw themselves into the sea, we should respect that.
We should be supportive for people demanding change in their country, imagine having a nut whack like gaddafi ruling you? well I would commit suicide or kill him. So do me a favor stop being a morun, and use that sphere you carry above your shoulders that is attached to your spinal chord.
We have on this earth what makes life worth living:
On this earth, the Lady of Earth
Mother of all beginnings and ends
She was called Palestine.
Her name later became Palestine
My Lady, because you are my Lady, I deserve life
If NATO moves in, that will radicalise the masses in all of North Africa against the West.
Has anyone actually suggested otherwise?
I'm bound to stay
Where you sleep all day
Where they hung the jerk
That invented work
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains.
But that would also make the chances of a puppet goverment being instaled lesser?
Actually, yes.
When NATO tries to acquire bases in Libya, they will face a lengthy war.
- 2052: Lucy writes: "My brother is stuck in Benghazi at the moment, he said the airport looks fine, it's just being controlled by the army, and that the streets seem quiet enough. He hopes to get out on an Italian ship tomorrow. I am sending my best wishes to the Libyan people and all the expats there, be safe, be well." Have Your Say
- 2020: Al-Jazeera says Abdel Fattah Younes al Abidi has announced his defection and support for the "revolution".
what is the guy mean by ''the airport is controlled by the army?
Kafadi goon or the anti-kadafi forces?
WHY kléber, WHY!!!!!!!
I hope they wont intervene,a war in such a state would be catastrophic,i really hope common sense kick's in and NATO stay's out of this,medical aid on the other hand,is ok.
of course these are not communist or socialist revolution.
Its all about autocracy being a instable, inneficient and unacepptable form of governement.
And frankly, this is good, for socialists movements to be able to thrive we need to get rid of that.
And there will be a change in the relation between worker and the mean of production.
not the kind of change we find radical enough, but after decades of autocratic plutocracy, it will be a fucking start.
WHY kléber, WHY!!!!!!!
Anti-Gaddafi revolutionaries, because benghazi by many testimonies is free, and secured.
We have on this earth what makes life worth living:
On this earth, the Lady of Earth
Mother of all beginnings and ends
She was called Palestine.
Her name later became Palestine
My Lady, because you are my Lady, I deserve life
NATO have enough shit on their plates like that.
they have been bruised and beaten in afghanistan, and they had a lot of problem finding volunteer to occupy the country.
the us comittement in military affair is already high enough, the brits have been on a frenzy cut in their own military, and i doubt europe will volunteer to put their hand in this fucking mess.
if there is a NATO comittement, its gonna be quick and probably covert.
WHY kléber, WHY!!!!!!!
