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    Castro has been listed as one of the richest men in the world by Forbes magazines, he does not allow freedom of the press, has been in power for 42 years, executed hundreds of Batistas allies without a real fair trial and suppresses religion. Yet this site still supports him. With the above in mind, why is he popular amongst you guys?
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    I do not condone anything Fidel Castro has done in the past 38 years. I was suprised by last week's statement, that he himself would actually state that what happend on 9-11 was a "travisty against modern civilization"...
    I don't think too highly of Fidel Castro...I don't think too lowley of him. This site and these boards are for the most part, about Che Guevara, a freedom fighter, a symbol of "rage against the machine."

    I cannot and will not speak for anyone else, but my reasons for being here are of the medical nature. I need tylenol to get rid of natural headaches, I need Che-Lives to get rid of governmental headaches.

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    I found one website that said that he doesn't and never has believed in socialism and just used it to gain support from the Soviets. I don't think this is likely looking at the circumstances of the Cuban revolution.

    I've also heard from many sources that he's a catholic.

    I think he's one of the better communist leaders and there's an american aid agency which reckons that a humanitarian crisis (caused by the blockade) has only been avoided because he's in power.

    Homosexuality is illegal in Cuba by the way but caribean nations have a history of making it illegal (british depandancy citizens only got british citizens because they removed the death penalty for it)

    While I don't support all of policies. I think that Cuba is much better than say Laos or China.
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    This site is about Che, not about Fidel.
    I think Fidel is gay, and i believe he had a hard-core crush on Che.

    What do you all think?>
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    uh....
    i'm not sure. maybe you should find out personally...
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    If I ran a communist country I probably would run it like Cuba rather than China, Laos, Vietnam or North Korea except with a bit more democracy.
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    There is much to criticise about Fidel. If one wouldn't go so far as to call his regime a dictatorship (but there is much to suggest it is), it certainly revolves around a cult of personality at least.

    Homosexuality is not illegal in Cuba. In the 60's some gays were forced into labour camps for 'rehab' but now there is much tolerance - the good ol' Lonely Planet guidebook says that the film 'Fresa y Chocolate' led to a national discussion about tolerance - anyone seen this film?

    Was Castro a true socialist? If you read Che's and Fidel's biographies (Anderson and Tzulc respectively), you definitely get the feeling that Fidel is a master politician with superior perceptions of people and extremely adept at taking on board whatever line suits his agenda. At the time of the revolution, Fidel very carefully assessed with whom he could form an allegiance - the Soviets were perfect at the time.

    It seems clear that Fidel is highly intelligent and able to work everyone and everything to his advantage with great and subtle skill - that includes Che. He cleverly avoids the use of his own image as a symbol of the revolution - Che is the perfect advertising tool for that purpose. Whatever Fidel really feels about Che is irrelevant - he knew he had a perfect icon in Che and has used Che's image and mystique for propaganda ever since his death.

    Fidel states the revolution is 'by the humble, for the humble' - and constantly says 'history will absolve me' - he employs the rhetoric of noble ideology very convincingly.

    Still, there is much to be said for his social experiment and no one can deny the outstanding success of his health and education policies. A Fidel style dictatorship may in fact compare favourably with some 'free democracies'. It's all a matter of perception.
    It cannot but be supportive, socialist, communist or whatever you want to call it. Does nature, and the human species with it, have much time left to survive in the absence of such change? Very little time. Who will be the builders of that new world? The
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    i admire fidel for the sole reason that he has not crumbled, he has had everything thrown at him but still survives, attacks on his country, embargoes and yet although its not a paradise it hasnt reached the bottom quite yet, and thats largely due to him.
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    I admire that aspect too DaNatural. In the current political climate Fidel can offer his true opinion of events while for the rest of the world it's time to pay the piper.
    It cannot but be supportive, socialist, communist or whatever you want to call it. Does nature, and the human species with it, have much time left to survive in the absence of such change? Very little time. Who will be the builders of that new world? The
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    i would even say he created che`s image as we know it, there is no greater image than that of a martyre. Fidel knows this and pulled his cards to publicitate that image that rage against the machine and absolute vodka now explore.

    as for the cuban govement, although it has an atractive nostalgia to it i cant rationaly agree with anything but democracy as a politcal system. Maybe Fidel aint that bad but what if another stalin comes along? thats the kind of thing that belongs in the right my friends, we must be inteligente about this!

    by the way did anyone ever hear and see his speechs when he was young? man that was somethin! never seen anyway speak so well, not because of his arguments necessarily but the way he mad the speechs. I think he also has carisma.
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    Fidel defineately has charisma. I think that Chancho is right about his ability to manipulate whatever he needs to or whoever he needs to in order to gain a foothold. His rulership of Cuba has seen some remarkable things despite America's best efforts to bring the Cubans to their knees.
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    i think the cuba is better than china for in china it isn't the workers who control the country,and the americans use this to tarnish left wing ideals
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    Homosexuality is not illegal in Cuba. In the 60's some gays were forced into labour camps for 'rehab' but now there is much tolerance - the good ol' Lonely Planet guidebook says that the film 'Fresa y Chocolate' led to a national discussion about tolerance - anyone seen this film?
    I think you're probably right about that. The website I found that on supported criminalising homosexuality as a good thing. My brother who works with Amnesty International says that they have intolerance of gays (So does Britain) but AI's website talks mainly about the oppression of a non-government organization (not the CANF.)

    I agree Fidel is an excelant politician. Like Lenin he changed his policies when they needed it rather than just staying the same.

    My Grandad though hates him and thinks he's about as bad as Saddam Hussein even though he thinks that General Gudafi has calmed down a lot (like Fidel)
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    oooh, i am going to have some fun answering every last one of this points with my own brand of self-deluded pomposity

    Guest - he's better than anything else around. btw, 40% of cubans are christian. Doubt that would happen with intolerance...

    RaoulHDuke - yeah................................

    Moskitto - before the third cuban revolution Fidel never supported Socialism or Communism. In fact, even after the revolution was succesful he didn't say it for a long time. It was after the US started to get on his back that he said 'i am communist, and the cuban revolution was a communist one'. I reckon this was because he thought 'if the US is going to screw me over, i might as well be communist, at lkeast then the soviets'll like me'
    For a long time before Che left there was a power struggle in Cuba. In the middle was Fidel. On one side were the soviet-aligned cuban communist party. On the other was Che, who was similar to Trotsky in his criticisms of the Soviets. Che criticised them for imperialism (guilty, as charged)

    Ernestito - and if he was and did???

    Chancho - yep, much you can criticise him for. Relative to every other nation's leaders and governmental systems though? barely a thing....

    DaNatural - Damn right, but haven't they gone into a period of rationing atm due to food shortage? they need help even if they havent tho....

    El_Che - It is a bit dubious how after a long term failure of the Bolivian revolution Fidel sent barely any help, maybe he constructed Che as a martyr more than you suggest? just a theory, not much solid evidence for...
    Also, Charisma is not a thing to be admired as a virtue, it does not make somebody right or better. Yes it makes them useful to causes... but remember, one of the most charismatic politicians ever was Hitler....

    Revolutionary Spirit - well duh....

    Moskitto - hmm, not much i have to say on that one...
    your grandad has is a susceptible and malleable person who beleives to readily the suggestions given him...
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    Now thats what I call soap-boxing. Hit everyone. The only problem I have Commie... (a single tear rolls down my cheek) you didn't name me. :-)
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    Sorry Viktor, but all you did was reiterate one of El_Che's points.... sowweeee
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    Fidel Castro.

    Heroic Revolutionary Guerrilla.

    Leader of Revolutionary Cuba.

    Is he a Stalinist? Is he a Dictator?

    Cuba does have a form of democracy, upon which I cannot comment at lenght but, the Communist Party of Cuba opperates a system called democratic centralism. Which to all cause and effect secures his position as 'Comandante en Jefe.' Nevertheless, when I was there I met people, members of the communist party and those who were not, people who trusted Fidel as a leader and those who claimed Cuba was now 'Fidel Plc.'

    I took part in a demonstration on July 26 in Havana, there were 10s of thousands of people, if not 100s of thousands, demonstrating in favour of their dictator. Ok, this happened in the Soviet Union and I suppose still in China too, where does that leave me, barking up the wrong tree? Suppose so!

    The main thing that came across from people, the majority of people I met, even those who dissented Fidel, was a feeling of patriotism and respect for the 'Triumph' of 1959 and the achievements of the revolution.

    We should all remember,
    and if you read Marx you will know this.
    Bogus bourgeois democracy is our luxury.
    Afforded to 'us' by the blood of the worlds people.

    Fidel and his Cuba,
    have resisted this enslavement.
    Health, Education, Literacy are the prize.
    Rewarded by America with a murderous blokade!

    Forbes have declared Castro as one of the worlds richest men? HHHMMMM, wonder how they came to that conclusion? Fidel 'owns' Cuba, therefore the entire GDP of the Cuban economy is his personal wealth! 'Fidel Plc'?

    Well if the rest of the worlds richest men shared their personal wealth in the way that Fidel does then the world would be a much better place! Only kidding. We can't even get our 'Great Leaders' to drop the debts they saddled the third world with.

    The richest nation in the world won't even care for the victims of a terror campaign. Fund raisers for the richest nation in the world? So its upto dilapidated pop stars to queue around the block to deliver their insipid drivel and sanctimonious simperings.

    Cuba should be held incomparison to other developing nations and not the 'developed' (stagnated) nations.

    Criticism of Cuba for human rights violations is frankly rich, comming from America. There is a residue of sour grapes on the combat boots of US democracy. If it were not for the fact that Revolutionary Cuba nationalised the prizes of slavery. Then of course, accepted defence from an alternate power broker, in response to a US backed invasion.

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    I love it. An opinion from someone who has been there. I have just recently seen a picture essay by time magazine on Cuba. They don't appear to repressed to me. Of course there are still those who are poorer than others. But that will always be. They still have a more equal shot at everything than we do.
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    here here red steve! good post man

    i plan on going to cuba this year if a friend and see for my own eyes what its like and how they live.
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    Yeah my grandad call's Christianity an unopressive religion (even though bits of the bible are quite oppressive) and uses the Koran to prove that Islam is an oppressive religion.

    he's a card carrying Thatcherite member of the conservative party. My brother is also a member but he thinks the Far-Left and the Far-Right are about as stupid as each other and is far more rational (and I actually find I agree with him on some issues)
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