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Debate in class tomorrow, need material. HELP
Tomorrow I have a debate in Government class tomorrow and my side is universal healthcare/"Obamacare" *shudder* and I need some facts and figure showing why it's way better by tomorrow for the debate. So I'd be very happy if some people can link me to some great sites showing why it's so awesome.
We claim to live and die equal, the way we were born: we want this real equality or death; that’s what we need.
And we’ll have this real equality, at whatever price. Unhappy will be those who stand between it and us! Unhappy will be those who resist a wish so firmly expressed.
The French Revolution was nothing but a precursor of another revolution, one that will be bigger, more solemn, and which will be the last.
-Gracchus Babeuf
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Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.62
"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one" - Albert Einstein
Cuba, nuff said.
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Wow the debate was some bullshit. I found some good information, and even used Cuba as an example(they're ranked 39th in the world while we're the 37th when it comes to ranking healthcare systems, which is pretty good for what Cuba's been through and how it's not even considered a industrialized country) and had all the facts on my side. I think I even had the class when I said raising taxes wouldn't be such a bad thing if we had to.
We lost the debate when the other team started saying it was BAD to help out other people outside of your immediate family! Can you fucking believe that, that's when the class went over to their side! Does this really show how fucked we are as a country when a class of people started to not like something when it was mentioned it would help everybody? I'm fucking flabbergasted, too unbelievable
We claim to live and die equal, the way we were born: we want this real equality or death; that’s what we need.
And we’ll have this real equality, at whatever price. Unhappy will be those who stand between it and us! Unhappy will be those who resist a wish so firmly expressed.
The French Revolution was nothing but a precursor of another revolution, one that will be bigger, more solemn, and which will be the last.
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Is this a high school class? I taught a class earlier this year involving a discussion of healthcare, and found that the main objection to "Obama care" was that students didn't want to let "lazy people" get healthcare. If they are too lazy to have a job with healthcare, then they don't deserve healthcare. When I suggested that some people work hard but still don't have healthcare offered through their jobs, some students thought these people should have healthcare, but others thought they clearly weren't actually hard workers, because if they were they would have done better in school and secured a better paying job with healthcare benefits. Since my goal was to facilitate a student led discussion, I didn't press the point too much.Wow the debate was some bullshit. I found some good information, and even used Cuba as an example(they're ranked 39th in the world while we're the 37th when it comes to ranking healthcare systems, which is pretty good for what Cuba's been through and how it's not even considered a industrialized country) and had all the facts on my side. I think I even had the class when I said raising taxes wouldn't be such a bad thing if we had to.
We lost the debate when the other team started saying it was BAD to help out other people outside of your immediate family! Can you fucking believe that, that's when the class went over to their side! Does this really show how fucked we are as a country when a class of people started to not like something when it was mentioned it would help everybody? I'm fucking flabbergasted, too unbelievable
In other interactions I've had with rightwingers, I've tried to hammer home that the other industrialized nations with universal healthcare plans actually expend significantly less of their GDP on healthcare than the US days, and that a single payer system without all the insurance company middlemen and all the paper work and beaurocracy involved in their businesses could actually lead to a stronger economy, more jobs, maybe even lower taxes. Hence, a win for selfish individuals. You might not like "lazy people" getting help, but you want a stronger more efficient economy, right? Generally, those individuals I've spoken to still don't want single payer even if they concede these points, because they don't think they should have to help pay for other peoples healthcare or they're scared of big government or they heard something awful about healthcare systems in other countries.
The attitude you're describing is shocking to encounter, but seems to be widespread.
Perhaps, to give them the benefit of the doubt, these people believe in social responsibility the same as you do, they just see one's primary social responsibility as to work hard and compete, and they see the losers of society as those who failed to fulfill their social duty of hard work and are being justly punished by the social order for their lazy freeloading ways.
To not give them them the benefit of the doubt, you could say many people seem to have a complete lack of a sense of themselves as part of a social whole beyond their families, and have some serious lacking in their ability to empathize. Beyond their immediate families, many Americans seem to be sociopaths.
Where do you think your classmates attitudes/values are coming from?
