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Teenage forced to apoligize to church after being raped
http://womensrights.change.org/blog/...or_being_raped
Glad she decided to stand up for herself even after this traumatic event occured.
Why the hell is there any statue of limitations on sex crimes?
Than again, she must have been wearing some very revealing clothing and flirting with Willis a lot to the point that he just couldn't resist, I can totally see how this is partially her fault.
You seem neat, but...
They divide us by our color, they divide us by our tongue,
They divide us men and women, they divide us old and young,
But they'll tremble at our voices when they hear these verses sung,
For the Union makes us strong!
I was about to hit the thank option...
... Then you said this:
Revealing clothing, flirtatious behavior, etc. does not and should not ever be used to put fault on the victim. I was raped by someone I had previously been seeing. Are you going to blame me.
The fact remains that revealing clothing, flirtatious behavior, even making out does not validate or legitimize nonconsentual acts.
I dreamt of a flower that was so beautiful that when it whithered away and died a tear left my eye. I saw our births, our lives and our deaths. I felt fire paint me with pain and I felt a kiss on my lips with a knife in my neck. Love to heartbreak to self-destruction to birth and to finally learning to frolic back into the same trap with a warm smile.
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I wish I had stood up for myself.
I dreamt of a flower that was so beautiful that when it whithered away and died a tear left my eye. I saw our births, our lives and our deaths. I felt fire paint me with pain and I felt a kiss on my lips with a knife in my neck. Love to heartbreak to self-destruction to birth and to finally learning to frolic back into the same trap with a warm smile.
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More misogynistic chauvinism and backwards sexism from the church...
Also EX, I'm pretty sure Fawkes was being sarcastic with his last line.
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If we have no business with the construction of the future or with organizing it for all time, there can still be no doubt about the task confronting us at present: the ruthless criticism of the existing order, ruthless in that it will shrink neither from its own discoveries, nor from conflict with the powers that be.
- Karl Marx
True.
I hope he was.
I dreamt of a flower that was so beautiful that when it whithered away and died a tear left my eye. I saw our births, our lives and our deaths. I felt fire paint me with pain and I felt a kiss on my lips with a knife in my neck. Love to heartbreak to self-destruction to birth and to finally learning to frolic back into the same trap with a warm smile.
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Fawkes was both obviously being sarcastic and obviously being (unintentionally) insensitive: we all know the cliche about blaming victims in revealing clothing - I am sure that Fawkes was entirely well intentioned about it and saw that particular form of sarcasm as a way to participate in condemning victim-blamers, by mocking them...but its still good to recognize what a sensitive topic this is and how triggering comments can be even when they are obvious parodies...
In any case, obviously this is a horrible example of how ridiculously bad reactionary churches can be/are...but there is also a risk that focusing on the extreme outliers like this one can normalize the far more typical hostility towards teenage sexuality and its association with "sin."
He was very obviously being sarcastic.
Sarcasm can often be one of the harshest forms of ridicule, I see no insensitivity. If a racist makes a statement about immigrants, is it insensitive to immigrants to maliciously mock what they just said through sarcasm back to them? No, of course it's not.
Anywho, this is outrageous.
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-Nietzsche
I'd hate to derail the topic but what can be done in a communist society to prevent mob rule for taking effect. I know I'm not the only one that feels like they want to hunt down these "god fearin'" Christians and make them confess there sins while their being hung with there own intestines.
Awful story to say the least.
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This:
Believe me, I have the utmost sympathy for you, I figured the sarcasm was pretty thinly veiled.
You seem neat, but...
They divide us by our color, they divide us by our tongue,
They divide us men and women, they divide us old and young,
But they'll tremble at our voices when they hear these verses sung,
For the Union makes us strong!
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."- Mohandas Ghandi
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...raped-her.html
I doubt these are the only outrageous ones.
Last edited by psgchisolm; 12th January 2011 at 04:13.
Those annoying little smiley faces like this one () would clear that up next time, then there wouldnt be a question of your intentions. FYI
By having no family … I inherited the family of humanity.
By having no possessions … I have possessed all.
By rejecting the love of one … I received the love of all.
By surrendering my life to the revolution … I found eternal life.
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-Huey P. Newton
I figured the italics on "totally" would have sufficiently got the point across, but oh well, I'll throw in an emoticon next time.Those annoying little smiley faces like this one (
I'm sorry to hear that people may have been offended by what I said, but it's a wee bit of a stretch to say that what I said was insensitive to anyone other than rapists and their apologists.
You seem neat, but...
They divide us by our color, they divide us by our tongue,
They divide us men and women, they divide us old and young,
But they'll tremble at our voices when they hear these verses sung,
For the Union makes us strong!
I didn't take any offense at all - I don't think it was offensive - I think there was just a disconnect between what you were trying to do and how EX took it.
However it is by definition insensitive to not be sensitive to the potential sensitivities of people reading what you write. I'm not saying you did anything wrong - as was I think totally clear in my post, I certainly understood you were being sarcastic and well intentioned and even in what Zeekloid quoted - made it clear that you were totally innocent for trying to mock victim-blamers...
But not every type of politically legitimate and justifiable critique or mocking takes everyone's feelings and experience into account. Sometimes things we say have an unintended triggering effect - they evoke negative thoughts, feelings and associations. It seems they may have done that in EX in this case. So when there are highly sensitive topics, sometimes it is just nice as a courtesy to try tread lightly and take them seriously not because its wrong to do otherwise but because it can sometimes elicit an unwanted reaction in people who are sensitive to it. That's what I meant about showing sensitivity. Its not a big deal its just something to keep in mind when you can.
wtf, New Hampshire.
This shit is wrong, just wrong.
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Alright, I know I'm probably going to come across as a combative prick whose trying to make an argument where there is none, but I'm just gonna try to clear up a few things from my perspective. Obviously someone's misinterpretation of what I said struck a nerve and I am sorry that that happened. However, this happens to all of us on a pretty regular basis, it's impossible for any of us to take everyone's feelings and experiences into account. Things that we say are inevitably going to be misinterpreted, taken out of context, etc., and have unintended effects. Of course we should tread more lightly when dealing with particularly sensitive topics -- and I think I did so here --, but I don't think that means we should cut out a pretty effective style of argument and analysis just because of its predisposition toward misinterpretation (a bunch of people saying "damn those bastards" isn't too effective at debasing the "logic" of victim blaming). I'm not at all blaming Esperanza for not immediately noticing the sarcasm in what I was saying and I am sorry that she was offended by it. Likewise, I'm not trying to start some argument just for the sake of starting an argument even if it seems like I'm beating a dead horse, I'm just trying to clarify some things from the way I see it. Yes, we should be careful when dealing with topics that are more serious than most, but we cannot expect to not encounter things such as this when anything beyond the simplest language is used, regardless of our level of sensitivity or seriousness.
You seem neat, but...
They divide us by our color, they divide us by our tongue,
They divide us men and women, they divide us old and young,
But they'll tremble at our voices when they hear these verses sung,
For the Union makes us strong!
It's fine, I guess I'm just hypersensitive because I've had lots of nightmares about it lately. It's causing me to be more emotional than usual.
I dreamt of a flower that was so beautiful that when it whithered away and died a tear left my eye. I saw our births, our lives and our deaths. I felt fire paint me with pain and I felt a kiss on my lips with a knife in my neck. Love to heartbreak to self-destruction to birth and to finally learning to frolic back into the same trap with a warm smile.
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It's cool. The internet is a tough medium to convey emotions/feelings through, so we have stupid icons and stuff to help. The best option is just to talk through it like the two of you have done here - every problem of the forum is usually the result of mis-communication anyway.
- August
If we have no business with the construction of the future or with organizing it for all time, there can still be no doubt about the task confronting us at present: the ruthless criticism of the existing order, ruthless in that it will shrink neither from its own discoveries, nor from conflict with the powers that be.
- Karl Marx
