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    anyone seen this HBO doc "12th And Delaware" ? its made by the makers of "jezus camp" and its about an street in fort pierce, florida where anti-choice assholes bought an house oposite from an abortion clinic and harras, lie to and bully the poor women going to the clinic.

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    "12th and Delaware" Shows Where Abortion War is Really Waged


    — By Maddie Oatman
    | Tue Aug. 3, 2010 12:30 PM PDT


    — 12th and Delaware / Courtesy of Loki Films

    The new documentary 12th and Delaware, which premiered last night on HBO, presents a fly-on-the wall view inside two organizations in Fort Pierce, Florida, that cater to pregnant women. Though across the street from one another, in political terms the offices might as well be on separate planets; the Woman's World clinic offers abortions, and the anti-abortion Pregnancy Care Center goes to great lengths to goad women out of them.
    Directors Rachel Grady and Heidi Ewing, who also created Jesus Camp, plant their film right in the middle of an issue that may be on the minds of politicians everywhere, but is not always an easy topic to broach in conversation."It's just a headache," Grady admits, referring to the film's subject matter. Even though 12th and Delaware cozies up to controversy, "in our opinion it's been hard to get media coverage for the film," remarks Grady, who explains that they had trouble getting traction in the TV review world.

    That may be because the film presents both sides of an issue without making an up-front claim as to whether the directors are anti-abortion or pro-choice (though, because the footage reveals anti-abortion protesters who lurk outside the abortion clinic's windows, shake fetus dolls at passerbies, and agree with a local priest who calls abortion ritualized blood sacrifice, it becomes pretty clear where the directors would end up on the spectrum). A reviewer has to work harder to write about it, explains Grady, because it's impossible not to take a stand on the abortion issue when you discuss the film.
    12th and Delaware arrives during a year where anti-abortion organizations are throwing around millions of dollars to elbow out candidates who voted for the health care bill simply because it did not explicitly come out against abortion; it's a political atmosphere taut with the enmity between anti-abortion and pro-choice advocates. "It's always been a third rail in politics," Grady explains, "but I think that has accelerated." Outside of the political realm, the danger surrounding abortions seems to have accelerated as well. During the filming process, Kansas abortion doctor George Tiller was murdered, and more and more abortion doctors began to fear for their safety, wearing bulletproof vests and hiding their faces under pillowcases, like the ones shuttled into the garage of the abortion center in the film.
    12th and Delaware focuses mostly on the antics of the Pregnancy Care Center, run by an activist and non-medical professional named Anne, and the women it caters to, many of whom have no idea that it does not provide abortion as an option. Anne and her staff do whatever they can, including buying the patients McDonald's and terrorizing them with graphic videos of abortion, to convince them to abandon the "evil" and "brutal" abortions they may have planned, and they refuse to even mention the abortion center across the street when women request them.
    Anne's Pregnancy Care Center is emblematic of the anti-abortion movement, a movement that has quietly and cunningly convinced hundreds of thousands around the country that the pro-choice stance is unacceptable. "Someone came up with the idea that this is a woman's body and she can do whatever she wants with it. Unfortunately, that is not true," seethes Tony Lucchese, a protester who shows up in the film and later stalks an abortion doctor in his car.
    While the anti-abortion movement certainly appears in the courtroom and during campaigns, it is perhaps outside the political world that it has gained most of its power. "A lot of the inroads the pro-life movement has made have not had much to do with legislation," says Grady. While there are 816 abortion centers across the country, there are five times that many anti-abortion pregnancy centers. The truly chilling moments in the film for me are when Anne attempts to coax women who are clearly incapable of providing for another child, sometimes using deceptive and manipulative measures in the process, simply because she has decided that this is her life's work (and she feels guided by the voice of God).
    No matter how much I disagree with Anne's words, her relentless activism and the labor of those like her have had a huge affect on people's lives. While 12th and Delaware doesn't leave us with a clear conclusion nor a great solution on how to bridge the divide between two stubborn sides, it does serve as a reminder that for every media outlet or writer that shies away from the abortion issue, there are five Annes ready to conscript pregnant women to their cause.
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    its an fascinating, and for an dutch person like me very shocking movie. and its certainly something i'm going to point anyone questiong why we as AFA are involved into countering these dangerous nutcases.
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    Very typical of religious right in the deep south. I remember a few years back when 4 air force officers demostrated in front of a Bossier City Louisiana abortion clinic pulling a wheel barrell for of fake bloody baby doll parts.

    They were court marshalled and did time in Levenworth. But like I said, you will see this sort of behavior anywhere there is abortion clinics. I can drive down the street right now of a local abortion clinic and the Christians will be out there waving their Bibles in the air, staring down women who come in and out of the clinic.

    Not only that, our compassionate Governor Jindal who has also cut HIV med assistance to AIDS patients, made abortion illegal and closed the clinic here. The woman who runs it, a long time womens advocate took the decision to the state courts and won. The clinic recently reopened.
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    Oh god i find these people repulsive , like Psycho says this is shocking for Europeans like us.I just hate the shallow self importance of these people who push their (terrifying ) social conservatism at women and brainwash them with utter shit.

    they refuse to even mention the abortion center across the street when women request them.= Sick
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    I don't know if any of the links work, but here's a page with a bunch of options for watching it online / downloading it for free.

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    what would you know, politicians finaly get of their arse and do something worthwhile:

    A Bill Against Agenda-Driven Pregnancy Centers

    Posted by Eli Sanders on Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 3:50 PM




    Speaking of NARAL, at the top of the reproductive rights agenda in Olympia this session is a bill (house version here, senate version here) that would require "limited service pregnancy centers" to provide accurate information about their services, offer immediate results from pregnancy tests, and protect the privacy of the women who come to them for help.
    The problem with these centers is not limited to Washington State (where 46 of them operate in 21 different counties). As the New York Times recently reported:
    The centers—crisis pregnancy centers—provide support for women who would like to continue their pregnancies but are in dire financial straits. They provide useful social service referrals and offer a sympathetic ear for women continuing their pregnancies. They do not, however, provide a full range of alternatives (like the morning-after pill) or condone all choices. To the contrary, they oppose abortion, and their staff members try their hardest to talk women out of having one, even if that means, according to Planned Parenthood of New York City, showing them graphic images and telling them that “God will never forgive you.”
    A yearlong investigation by Naral Pro-Choice New York found that crisis pregnancy centers — in addition to the E.M.C. centers, there are at least four others in the city — feed women information that has been medically refuted (including an old standby, rejected by the National Cancer Institute, that abortions cause higher rates of breast cancer).
    More here. In a recent statement on his proposed legislation, State Sen. Kevin Ranker (D-40) said: "Due to our state’s dire financial straits, more and more Washingtonians are finding themselves without insurance, desperate for affordable, quality healthcare. This bill makes sure that all women, regardless of their economic situation, have equal access to information about the kind of pregnancy care they'll receive."
    In other words, it makes it harder for anti-choice activists to masquerade as evenhanded health care providers.
    Rep. Judy Clibborn (D-41) is the prime sponsor of the companion bill in the state house.
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