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    Default Redstar2000: A Practitioner of Private Property?

    For those who don't know who redstar2000 was, he was a brilliant speaker on the issue of communism. I've had the pleasure of debating with him many times via email many years ago. I don't know what happened to him but I do miss having those discussions with him and reading his archived posts on this site.

    One thing I noticed about his website:http://rs2kpapers.awardspace.com/

    If you look near the very bottom of his page, you'll notice this "gaffe".

    Copyright © 2003-2006 RedStar2000Papers.com -- Some rights reserved.

    Does this mean he's a capitalist? Or at least a practitioner of private property?

    I wish somebody could explain this one.
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    For those who don't know who redstar2000 was, he was a brilliant speaker on the issue of communism. I've had the pleasure of debating with him many times via email many years ago. I don't know what happened to him but I do miss having those discussions with him and reading his archived posts on this site.

    One thing I noticed about his website:http://rs2kpapers.awardspace.com/

    If you look near the very bottom of his page, you'll notice this "gaffe".

    Copyright © 2003-2006 RedStar2000Papers.com -- Some rights reserved.

    Does this mean he's a capitalist? Or at least a practitioner of private property?

    I wish somebody could explain this one.
    I am redstar200's caretaker. He was paralized after the hurricans Katrina and Rita from a stroke.

    I can tell you from almost 3 years of caring for him, he is no capitialist.
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    putting ur name on things u rite is capitalzim durf
    I'm on some sickle-hammer shit
    Collective Bruce Banner shit

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    In the world of intellectual property, particularly on the internet, "some rights reserved" generally means that the user is permitted to reuse the corresponding material with some conditions attached, for example you may need to credit the creator, you may not be allowed to use the materials for to generate profits, etc. I doubt it's anything to worry about and putting a some rights reserved notice on your work certainly does not make one a capitalist.
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    I am redstar200's caretaker. He was paralized after the hurricans Katrina and Rita from a stroke.

    I can tell you from almost 3 years of caring for him, he is no capitialist.
    ,,I think the fact that Debs has to care for yer man says that he isn't a capitalist.

    As he himself would undoubtedly have told you being a capitalist is not an ideological position, but a relationship to the means of production.

    The fact that he is relying on the friendship of his comrades to look after him, and doesn't have ten paid nurses following his every whim says something about his class position.

    I sincerely hope that if I am in a similar position somebody cares as much about me as Debs obviously does about him.

    Devrim

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    Is the merchandise and imaging on CheLives.com (C) or (TM) ?
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    Politics are important but human relations are the definition of who we are as creatures on this earth. All his post show him to be a Communist and unless he posts or ask someone close to him to post differently I consider him as such. He deserves that respect.

    I wish him well.
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    Copyright © 2003-2006 RedStar2000Papers.com -- Some rights reserved.

    Does this mean he's a capitalist? Or at least a practitioner of private property?

    I wish somebody could explain this one.
    OH DAMN, YOU GOT US .....

    in case you hav'nt noticed, everyone is a practitioner of private property because we live in Capitalism.
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    I'm surprised that RS2K failed to knock some sense into you, since you claim to have debated with him.
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    Is the merchandise and imaging on CheLives.com (C) or (TM) ?
    I don't think any of that shit could be trademarked even if we wanted to.
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    I think this post is a perfect example of why there is an OI forum...
    IOW: Trollin, trollin trollin
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    Redstar is a VERY INTERESTING GUY! As the OP suggested I've been reading his website http://rs2kpapers.awardspace.com/ for me he almost gets Communism to make sense. Very down to earth and practical but always on point.

    I wish the Comrade was still around here. He also has a wiki page--http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Redstar2000 and it seems he's not that old of a person (born 1942--Ok, that's relative ) Anyway--he's definitely worth a read for any comarde interested in making a plausable argument for Communism.

    He does it so well.
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    What's this with discussing a former member in a semi-accusational sense (OP) when they can't answer back?

    While I am at.... Chomsky's stuff is copyright too...
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    What's this with discussing a former member in a semi-accusational sense (OP) when they can't answer back?

    While I am at.... Chomsky's stuff is copyright too...
    I'd imagine it has to do with publishing through a publisher that can reach a wide audience.
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    Marxists typically distinguish between private property and personal property. Private property is capital, productive property that extracts additional property from it. Personal property are mere possessions which do not create the same social relations. To be a capitalist is not to possess personal property but to posses profit yielding private property (such as a factory, or other revenue or interest producing asset) - redstar2000's website is an example of purely personal property (unlike say a website that actually generates revenue).
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    That is intellectual property. Rights claimed by the owner of an original work.

    Perhaps he does not want people copying his writings and claiming it as their own.

    Or maybe it is just something he added with not much thought.
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    You all know he didnt place a copyright on that page right? It wasnt on the original website (if I remember correctly) All the pages were moved to awardspace after his stroke to preserve his work. These pages originally were placed at redstar2000.com

    In fact he is completely unaware of its placement there. When asked he still tells people to go to redstar2000.com. Its easier for me just to nod and agree then direct them to where it is now.

    Phased Out, I dont know who you are, but I doubt very seriously you've ever debated rs2k or you would know he isnt a Capitalist. I strongly feel you are just being provocative.

    And thank you Devrim, your kind words mean alot to me.
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    I own private property. I live in a capitalistic society. I do not want to freeze to death and starve, or be reduced to squatting. If somebody else decides they'd rather do that then own private property, then power to them. It is my personal choice to keep my modest collection of stuff, which helps me keep my health and survival, and yes I'll admit, some degree of recreation and luxury.

    This does not mean I'm a cappie. I do not like private property. I wish we could do away with it. I hope we do.

    Let's make a scenario to illustrate survival vs hypocrisy. Let us say I am a homosexual living in 1930's Germany. Let's say that I closet myself so as not to get gassed. Would acting heterosexual, perhaps even flirting/ dating women to "prove" that I wasn't homosexual, mean that I wasn't homosexual?

    Of course not; it would only mean I have no desire to suffer, and a desire to thrive.

    Socialists/communists/anarchists/etc suffer a similar dilemma (not as extreme, perhaps). If they wish to survive in a capitalistic society, they have to play by some of capitalism's rules. At least for the present.

    I would also like to refer to the "no true scotsman" fallacy.

    I would also like to refer to the "ad hominem" fallacy.



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    I own private property.
    *personal property

    /nitpicking
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