Rape

[Dimentio]

Is it rape when a consentual intercourse beginning with a condome ends in a consentual intercourse without a condome? Should it also be possible for females to change their mind whether or not it was consentual if they for example change their opinion on the male after a finished intercourse?

http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/12/02/...they-go-along/

I am afraid cases like this could lead to an inflation and relativisation of what rape is.

[Quail]

I don't think that changing your mind after having had sex can really make the sex be classed as rape. I've slept with people and regretted it, but that wasn't rape at all. Obviously it should be possible to change your mind during sex, in which case you ask your partner to stop. If they carry on regardless, that could be classed as rape.

The condom issue is similar to the situation where you change your mind halfway through. If someone takes off the condom or refuses to wear one, and you tell them to stop but they continue anyway, that's not consensual sex.

I think the main point here is if you say, "no" and someone does it anyway, there isn't consent.

[Palingenisis]

What about if we are having sex and the guy is getting far to rough for my liking or he hurts me and I ask him to stop and he doesnt? Is that not rape? Its pretty close anyhow....

[Quail]

^ If that was directed at me, I said that I would class that as rape.

[IronEastBloc]

If you do anything that isn't wanted in sex by the other partner, then yes, it's rape. end of story.

And I tend to go along with the victim in such instances. despite what the media portrays, it takes a shitload of courage to report a rape, esp. as a victim.

[Palingenisis]

^ If that was directed at me, I said that I would class that as rape.

No it was directed at the OP.

[IronEastBloc]

Rape really isn't that hard of a concept to understand.

Anything that is unwanted during sex by an opposite partner but is forced anyways = Rape.

[Jalapeno Enema]

Is it rape when a consentual intercourse beginning with a condome ends in a consentual intercourse without a condome?

Either party has the right to set parameters to what they do/do not consent to sexually.

In a scenario such as this, if a party consents to sex with a condom, they did not consent to sex without.

Unfortunately, most people find sex embarrassing to talk about, even to their own sexual partners, so what is and is not consented is often somewhat vague.

Rape really isn't that hard of a concept to understand.

I have to agree with this statement. I find it worrisome when I get the impression that somebody in the general populace just doesn't get it.

However, even in modern times, sexism is prevalent, and it's important to remember we are all a product of that society. It takes a radical (but quite necessary) attitude adjustment for many people to see everybody as equals.

Should it also be possible for females to change their mind whether or not it was consentual if they for example change their opinion on the male after a finished intercourse?

If you borrow my car, then tomorrow we get in a fight, can I report said car stolen?

[Demogorgon]

This pertains to the Julian Assange case doesn't it? If the case is as some have suggested, then I do not see how it can be rape. If you consent to sex and change your mind after the fact then it cannot possibly be rape, how on earth could there ever be any justice in that? Of course we should bare in mind that the full facts of this case are yet to present themselves. Never leap to a conclusion before you know as much as there is to know.

[Fawkes]

Rape really isn't that hard of a concept to understand.

They're asking a question, you don't need to be a douche.

But, as everyone else has said, something is only rape when consent is not explicitly given (not just for sex in general, but also specific sex acts) before or during the act.

Here's a question though: I've had sexual encounters with people who are really fucked up on alcohol/various drugs, what differentiates what I've done from being date rape?

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

Here's a question though: I've had sexual encounters with people who are really fucked up on alcohol/various drugs, what differentiates what I've done from being date rape?

That depends, where they in a position/capable of giving consent?

[gorillafuck]

Is it rape when a consentual intercourse beginning with a condome ends in a consentual intercourse without a condome? Should it also be possible for females to change their mind whether or not it was consentual if they for example change their opinion on the male after a finished intercourse?

Neither of those are rape if they are consensual before and during the act.

What about if we are having sex and the guy is getting far to rough for my liking or he hurts me and I ask him to stop and he doesnt? Is that not rape? Its pretty close anyhow....

That's rape.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Should it also be possible for females to change their mind whether or not it was consentual if they for example change their opinion on the male after a finished intercourse?

Only if it's acceptable for one boxer to charge another with assault after a match.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

Here's a question though: I've had sexual encounters with people who are really fucked up on alcohol/various drugs, what differentiates what I've done from being date rape?

There are a variety of parameters - yr previous relationship with the people involved, what you've talked about beforehand, their own limits/desires, etc. Having drunk sex with a partner you've talked about having drunk sex with is different than picking up some stranger at a bar.
Anyway, it should also be up to survivors to define their experiences - but if a situation of that sort occurred (you had sex with someone who was too fucked up to properly consent), and they said, "Hey, that was date rape, fucker!" then you're a date-rapist.

[redz]

I don't think that changing your mind after having had sex can really make the sex be classed as rape. I've slept with people and regretted it, but that wasn't rape at all. Obviously it should be possible to change your mind during sex, in which case you ask your partner to stop. If they carry on regardless, that could be classed as rape.

The condom issue is similar to the situation where you change your mind halfway through. If someone takes off the condom or refuses to wear one, and you tell them to stop but they continue anyway, that's not consensual sex.

I think the main point here is if you say, "no" and someone does it anyway, there isn't consent.

I generally agree with this, but caveats are in order. There are lots of "grey areas" in human interaction when two people are consensually engaged in sex (I'm gonna assume a man and woman as the most common scenario for the potential of a "rape" incident).

Yes, the woman can say she doesn't want to keep going because the guy broke his condom, or she's no longer in the mood, or whatever - but there's quite a spectrum of variants of "No". If she insists on physically separating (rolling away and off the couch, out of the bed, whatever), and they guy resorts to fairly brutal violence to proceed with penetration, etc. - in my view, it's clearly morphed into rape.

However, short of that, it's a very murky issue: e.g., is the woman reluctant, but acquiescent? Is it sorta consensual, and sorta non-consensual?

These are obviously some of the blurry issues that are at play in the Swedish government's re-vendetta against Julian Assange, which is definitely a case in which the world working class has an interest (i.e., a side), because it's the current leading edge of the American ruling class's vicious vendetta against WikiLeaks for its damaging revelations.

Clearly, the charge of rape is increasingly perceived by the capitalist ruling class as a potential weapon, to be wielded against adversaries - especially on the left - when the opportunity arises. Revolutionists need to resist this and any effort to exaggerate this charge as well to repress more ordinary sexual behavior, and should treat the highly explosive rape issue with exceedingly great caution.

Redz

[Ocean Seal]

If there is no consent before or during the sexual act then it is in all cases rape, but regretting sex afterwards is not rape in any way. Rape is not to be taken lightly and it should not be mixed in with sex that one partner regrets after the act.

[Fawkes]

That depends, where they in a position/capable of giving consent?

That's open to interpretation as far as whether their giving of consent can be considered valid due to them being fucked up, but it's not like I was exactly sober. I've never committed a sex act against someone who did not consent to it, I'm just curious as to what point of intoxication that consent is no longer actually consent. Then again, I've always been just as fucked up if not more than them, so it's not like I'm actively seeking out drunk and drugged up people to take advantage of.

[La Comédie Noire]

They're asking a question, you don't need to be a douche.

But, as everyone else has said, something is only rape when consent is not explicitly given (not just for sex in general, but also specific sex acts) before or during the act.

Here's a question though: I've had sexual encounters with people who are really fucked up on alcohol/various drugs, what differentiates what I've done from being date rape?

Idk I play it safe regardless and tell them they're too drunk and should think on it.

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

That's open to interpretation as far as whether their giving of consent can be considered valid due to them being fucked up, but it's not like I was exactly sober. I've never committed a sex act against someone who did not consent to it, I'm just curious as to what point of intoxication that consent is no longer actually consent. Then again, I've always been just as fucked up if not more than them, so it's not like I'm actively seeking out drunk and drugged up people to take advantage of.

Indeed, the problem with this kind of situation is that it is a very grey area regarding consent, while taking advantage of people who are intoxicated is a form of rape (in my opinion, anyway), if both parties are intoxicated to the point where neither side can really give consent, it is not rape, but it is a bad idea.

[Fawkes]

Idk I play it safe regardless and tell them they're too drunk and should think on it.

Yeah, but

Then again, I've always been just as fucked up if not more than them, so it's not like I'm actively seeking out drunk and drugged up people to take advantage of.