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US imperialism's attempts to shut down Wikileaks must be defeated, argues Eddie Ford
I hope the sex assault charges are dealt with in a timely manner. It's pretty clear that the laying of the charges is political. The behaviour alleged is awful, but also very very common -- this is the only time I've heard any public figure getting into trouble for taking off a condom mid sex. It's wrong to do and I disapprove --- I be a child of the Safe Sex AIDS Generation ---
He may be safer in Swedish jail than elsewhere, so who the %$##*@! knows.
Please do sign the Avaaz petition: http://www.avaaz.org/en/wikileaks_pe...ddb856cca8e54c
Why are so many people hero worshipping this guy, hes a rich suit wearing flash asshole, and isnt exactly intent on peoples war is he.
I personally don't worship the guy, but come the fuck off it man. There are shades of grey in the world, not everybody (in fact, only a tiny minority today) advocate "people's war", etc, etc. If you take some naive puritanical stance then almost everyone is fucking evil and of zero use. Thankfully, this view is really only held by dip shit high-schoolers and the like.
Assange may not hold politics that we agree with, but he's doing a good thing. A hell of a lot more than you or I.
He may not be the brains behind the wikileaks operation, but he stepped up and is taking the brunt of Imperialism's pressure. He put his life on the line and he may well wind up facing death or a very long stay in a prison somewhere, before all is said and done.
If you can't see the value in what Assange and the entire wikileaks team is doing, or the grave sacrifices he and likely the rest (eventually) are making, you really do have your head so far up Mao or Hoxha's ass that you can't appreciate material reality anymore or recognize that apolitical people (or even people who hold views opposing our own) can still sway history in a progressive direction and accomplish great things.
The fact is, the monster that is US imperialism needs to be slayed, and while this may not fully accomplish that, it's doing a lot more to further that end than us bickering on a forum. Taking the entirety of the global situation in mind, now is an insanely important time in history and every little thing that can tip the scales is necessary.
I'd take a fucking Randroid that is actually doing something to destabilize the ruling system of the world to a lazy nit-picking internet denizen any day, thank you very much.
... To live – does it not mean to have indomitable faith in victory?
1) Because he's the human symbol for WikiLeaks, both to us and to the enemy.
2) Because he's willing to live or die by principles that many here respect.
3) Because of his fabulous blonde hair.
He who has a why to live can bear almost any how.
-Nietzsche
No, workers are revolutionary by their relationship to the means of production.
This guy is a freemarket, free press loved by liberals asshole, yeah its great imperialism has been embaressed, but im not arguing against that.
I am however saying this guy is not what hes made out to be on here, how many threads on this guy do we need.
I ALSO LOVE THE BLOND BANGS BABE![]()
So somehow the only people that should ever be given any attention are workers now? Well, throw out your copy of Capital as well as your copy of Homage to Catalonia.
God fucking damn it, do I hate this workerism shit that people get into. There are plenty of reactionary workers, there are plenty of progressive intellectuals and petty-bourgeois people, and vice-versa. You can't just dismiss everyone that does not fit the ideal mold of a progressive communist vanguardist/whateverthefuck. It doesn't work that way.
1) You clearly don't read much of the "free press", do you?
2) Now, I consider the MSM to not be "free press" anyway, but since you used the term, I have to ask, what exactly do you have against the free press? I mean the actual concept.
3) Liberals pretty much oppose him as much as the right, hence the Obama administration's hatred of the guy. Hey, I hear that liberals like air though, maybe we should stop breathing it lest someone think we're not pure enough.
Also, just so you know (since you're really new here), this is the way this board is; something significant happens and many different threads are created during the period of time it's relevant, usually covering different aspects of said event. This is because real communists realize that history is an extremely complex interplay of events and intentions and deem such things worthy of review, not simple dismissal out-of-hand because x person or y organization doesn't fit some arbitrary standard.
... To live – does it not mean to have indomitable faith in victory?
Giving the forces of reaction the right to say their shit is betraying the workers, so there should be no "free press" for reactionaries.
How can someone have the right to an opinion that, if put in practice, will oppress and result in starving masses in the third world and oppression of workers worldwide?
dont they have the right to not have their would be oppressors spouting anti worker propoganda and genocidal visions of genocidal slavery for the third world peasentry and the rest of their bullshit ?
liberal, conservative, anne randers, all have no right to speak, as them doing so, is giving condonance and promoting capitalism, which kills millions and oppresses us all.
, one of his alleged victims has strong links to a CIA-financed, anti-Castro, feminist group - Las Damas de Blanco (the Ladies in White
These that noisy "peaceful" group in Cuba.If so they are a load of bullshit hypocrites siding with the CIA
I take that as you giving up on your earlier statements regarding Assange then.
Listen, in order for a new round of communist revolutions to happen, we have to win on the field of ideas as well as the battlefield. Therefor, given that in order for us to take power the right must be totally discredited, the only way their rhetoric could prove to destabilize a revolution (assuming they aren't calling for armed insurrection, or aiding in it's organization), is if we fail in implimenting policies that prove us to be correct. At that point, I fear, we would already have betrayed the revolution ourselves. Any decent revolutionary state would have to, by necessity, produce both a well-educated society of politically aware people and material gains that would be valued by said population. So, any decent government, especially if we're talking about a former Imperial power like the US that wouldn't be under the same pressures as, say, Cuba, would have nothing to fear, if they were doing their jobs.
Not to mention, lack of free press simply discredits the left in the eyes of more people, probably a lot more than the net effect of allowing varying viewpoints.
Not to mention, in the age of the internet, it is incredibly naive to think that such a thing can be done effectively anyway.
Not to mention, you make everyone on the left look like a fool and an authoritarian fetishist when you talk like this.
... To live – does it not mean to have indomitable faith in victory?
Also, I like how allowing idiots to talk without being sent to the gulags is betraying the workers, but forbidding them having access to information that you shouldn't be afraid of anyway, somehow is not. Yes, the rabble needs a paternal hand to protect them from themselves and their own inherent inability to see through bullshit!
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Also, just who exactly gets to decide what is "reactionary"? Some hack buerocrat? Surely such power would never be used to silence actual leftists that the establishment is uncomfortable with!![]()
... To live – does it not mean to have indomitable faith in victory?
Whilst it's wrong what is happening to Assange, Wikileaks is the bigger picture here and he can and should be sacrificed if it means Wikileaks can continue.
Anonymous are doing an excellent job, though with my personal details online I do worry about the consequences of cyber warfare.
how am i giving up on my earlier statements?
and yeah cos im not some anarkiddy who only occupies himself with liberal notion of free press and individualism, without thinking of the extremely oppressed virtual slaves in the third world.
The progressive role that Wikileaks plays lies in the fact that it publicises and confirms the claims of how corruption, oppression and imperialism are inherent to the system. Not by saying this directly, but by simply exposing the facts. The benefit of this is that it lends credence to what is normally only said by communists, anarchists and by those few left-intellectuals who have both an audience and credibility. Now, it is no longer something that is only said by the usual suspects, but supported by plain and bare facts.
Therefore it is no wonder that many US liberals (can't tell whether they're in the majority, though), far from "loving" Wikileaks and Assange, are absolutely shitting themselves and are tailing the neocons about how it's necessary to put Assange in a dark, deep hole, with or without trial. If there are any "progressive liberals" who support Assange, that's all for the better; it means they've finally gotten over the infantile Obama worship. Who knows what kind of steps they could take next?
As for Assange himself, I guess it was always kind of inevitable that he would turn into a red herring without wishing for it. He decided to be the one to go on record as a spokesman, and as a thanks for it, he has to live like a wanted man (think it's time to change my avatar again...). If he didn't do that, then who? Anyway, the downside is that now, instead of seriously discussing the leaks, people are preoccupied with the personal integrity of Assange, as if that has any bearing on the contents of the cables.
With that, the national security state has already gained more than they ever will should they decide to actually convict Assange; pretty shameful that some people on Revleft also spend more time joining in on the swiftboating of Assange.
What's the matter Lagerboy, afraid you might taste something?
Strong links? Really?
"I want to say sweet, silly things." - V.I Lenin
You're making wild extrapolations that are not only based on no information, but are wrong. This doesn't surprise me since you don't display much critical thinking ability and clearly don't believe the masses posses much at all.
I see that you can't respond to what I said so you simply decided to fling mud. I'm actually not an anarchist, I just posses a little of what I like to call "intelligence".
Also, you gave up on your original statements when you ignored everything I said about Assange but one relatively minor thing, and latched onto it in order to deflect that you couldn't, or wouldn't, rebut my other statements or back up your own argument. You're kind of doing the same thing now, by trying to fling insults, IE deflecting from the point that you have no actual argument.
Also, I don't know how or why you think I "don't think about the virtual slaves in the third world", but whatever bro, we can't all be super hardcore proletarian keyboard jockeys complaining about free press on the most open and free medium for exchanging information ever (LOL!)
... To live – does it not mean to have indomitable faith in victory?
wow you bigging your intelectual abilities up really gets you popular with working class people, you smug oh so smart ********
I never said I was the smartest person ever, but I got some wits about me. And you're just degenerating into a little mud-flinging idiot, who clearly displays no intelligence.
Also, for the record, I work 40+ hours a week and support myself, making minimum wage, so suck it, kiddo.
... To live – does it not mean to have indomitable faith in victory?
Also, you just proved my point again, by seizing on literally the least relevant thing that I said rather than actually backing up your "argument".
See, I'm not "bigging up" my intelligence, I'm just contrasting my adequate intelligence with your lack of said characteristic.
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Also, I'd like to point out that your insistence on protecting the masses from "dangerous" information won't make you too popular, either, seeing as it just makes you come off as a condescending and paternalistic asshole.
... To live – does it not mean to have indomitable faith in victory?
Homage to Catalonia, please tell me you're an anarchist trying to make us MLs and MLMs look bad.
It'll be interesting to see what comes of this charge against Assange, and what consequences it'll have on Wikileaks. Personally, I'm not sure much will come of this - it seems like a very poorly executed plan by the CIA and Interpol, so it's quite possible Assange will win his trial. Not sure what'll happen then... It's entirely possible they'll just try to get the media to stop talking about Assange or Wikileaks.