Kill all those Tsarist agents batteling on the eastern front, they're part of the problem and have no class interest in siding with the workers and ending the great war!
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wow we have a babykiller on the forum.
and one whos such a tough guy.
Kill all those Tsarist agents batteling on the eastern front, they're part of the problem and have no class interest in siding with the workers and ending the great war!
Your baby is first on my list.
Put capitalism in a bag of rice.
When it comes down to it, a cop patrolling the streets of Chicago is no different from a soldier patrolling the streets of Baghdad, regardless of legal obligation, they are both fulfilling the same function.
Yes...? I don't really see what you're getting at there.
The laws of war? Tell someone in Iraq that Americans have followed the laws of war when they're fighting an illegitimate, imperialistic war. Okay, so soldiers are more likely to be thrown under the bus than cops, but the bar for what is acceptable for soldiers is far higher than cops.
Of course there are "good people" that are cops and soldiers, but the jobs they partake in are fundamentally anti-working class, regardless of legal obligation.
You seem neat, but...
They divide us by our color, they divide us by our tongue,
They divide us men and women, they divide us old and young,
But they'll tremble at our voices when they hear these verses sung,
For the Union makes us strong!
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kritische_Polizisten
A cop group concerned with human rights, civil rights, police brutality and a critical reflection of police practice.
Some of them even identify as radical leftists.
I mean, the fucking hell?
Nobody is denying this. But if the soldier realizes it, he can do nothing, if the cop realizes it, he can quit right then and there. This is why, on the left, there is a greater understanding, not support, for soldiers as opposed to police.
Unfortunately, imperialism is not illegal. I conducted myself in a manner in accordance with the laws or war, my conscience, and general human decency while I was in Iraq. And yes, Iraqis easily could tell the difference between me, and other soldiers, and I was told on multiple occasions, by insurgent prisoners, that I was "ok", that "more americans should be like me", that "if more americans were like you, we wouldn't be fighting", and even "if I see you in baghdad, I won't shoot".
Yeah, it is generally accepted that cops will be pieces of shit who abuse their power. (the bar is lower for cops) Do soldiers abuse their power? Yes, and consequences are dealt out far more often when they can be caught. Cops are caught being shitheads daily, and nothing happens.
This isn't the arguement though, is it? The question is not "are soldiers performing an anti-working class job", that answer is obvious, the question is, why is there tolerance/a desire to organize soldiers, and not police. I think it should be obvious.
Put capitalism in a bag of rice.
oh yes mister your not as bad as them other soldiers away and fuck ive seen your type before the nice guy approach and deal with yous like the rest of your ilk fuck of..
Another thing why are imperalist murdering mercinaries aloud to post here the bastards.
There can be nice policeman or soldiers, but that's not the point. All of them are constrained by material needs to join the police or the army. I don't support the army or the soldiers; if they have any desire to abolish capitalism, then they should strive to give up their position as class traitors.
I dont think you ever had to cross an Imperialist soldier in your life...Yes the "social services" in England pressure vunerable kids into the Army...But I remember as a kid encountering squaddies with mum on several occasions...Not a fun experience...So I can understand where fiontann is coming from.
And that contradicts what I said how?
all soldiers are state terrorists
Because I am a communist.
And I have never murdered anybody in my life.
I'm sure your strategy of incoherent insults will quickly rid your country of imperialism though, certainly a much more intelligent strategy that undermining the foundation on which the soldiers stand, and making an attempt to have them connect to the international ruling class instead of their national bourgeoisie, yes, the better option is clearly to rage on a message board.
Yes, soldiers and cops are servants of the bourgeoisie and operate against the working class, this was established in the first post, what was your point?
Put capitalism in a bag of rice.
Occupying forces, especially forces who occupy a country for hundreds of years need to figure out a way to dehumanize the enemy, they can't have soldiers see you and your mother as real people, then they might not be so willing to do their jobs.
Obviously the answer is not to alienate them further. And the interesting thing is, attacking them militarily, is not alienating. The average soldier doesn't hate the enemy for shooting at them, there is a certain respect in that.
To successfuly defeat a bourgeois army you have to combine military resistance with concrete, radical organizing, and no, shitting on people and pushing them farther into the arms of those sending them to attack you, is not going to accomplish anything.
Put capitalism in a bag of rice.
Context...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...14-866482.html
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http://www.heraldscotland.com/army-c...andal-1.826476
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...udy-finds.html
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7142413.stm
And I know from first hand accounts and very close to personal experience that the same thing happened in Ireland. So good luck convincing a west Belfast working class Republican that Imperialist troops are okay...
When you shove guns in children's faces in close knit working class communities they are going to hate you. When you terrify children infront of their mums until they piss themselves you are going to be hated. When you feel up young boys on their way to school you are going to be hated.
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Find where I said imperialist troops are ok. Find where I demonstrate support for imperialism. Find where I "support the troops".
As a matter of fact, here is a post by me while I was in Iraq, where I talk about how my death is a victory for the working class.
http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.p...0&postcount=28
Put capitalism in a bag of rice.
See the blood money you took did you donate it back to the country you helped rape and plunder????
Okay fair enough....But some people are sensitive about this issue, and very understandably so.
Imperialist armies, however, have been known to break down. This happened to the Portugese army in the '70s, who rebelled against the fascist regime and endless colonial wars they were forced to fight.
Happened in the fraggings and other forms of dissent in American army in Vietnam. a comrade of mine joined the U.S. Army circa 1970 to help organize with the American Servicement's Union, and they formed a soldier's council at a base in Germany.
as Jimmie Higgins points out, class position of soldiers is not the same as cops. soldiers are obtained thru the poverty draft, they're paid crap, and then dumped once they come back and have health or other problems. of course they are hired to work to sustain capitalism through its need for an international buttkicking force. but history indicates there is more potential for mutinty and soldiers going over to the side of the people than with police.
police are supervisors of the streets. their day to day role is to intimidate the lower class. this tends to create a certain mentality among the police.
The emancipation of the working class must be the work of the workers themselves.
