Silly question?

[Mogwai]

Sorry if this sounds like a very simple question and has been answered somewhere else, but im a bit of a political n00b and fairly new to communism

but, my question:

if we embrace communism, do we sacrifice our individuality? because from my little exposure to these ideas so far, i think this may be why people are afraid of communism?

if every man, woman and child is provided with communist-brand beige training shoes, would we not lose some of our motivation? to work is to achieve something, a nice car, nice clothes, these material possessions that define who the modern man is in relation to his peers...


even a man living below the poverty line in a run down american town may fear communism, because he may think that he would have to sacrifice his freedom so succeed and to be an individual ?


once again, sorry if this is highly basic and n00bish behavior, but there doesnt seem to be a forum for people just starting out

[Felicia]

I have no problem with drab, fashion is ridiculous.

So you wouldn&#39;t get little skaters and punkers in school.... whoa, what a big loss to humanity. <_<

There are things about "communism" that may cause us to give up pieces of our individuality in order to become a whole, unified people...... but I think that you&#39;re talking about more than clothes and appearance.


and I&#39;d also like to say that posting this in opposing ideologies may or maynot have been a good idea..... there are poeple in here who will try and rip the communist out of you, don&#39;t listen to them eh, listen to me

[Mogwai]

lol, im not a communist yet, as such. im reading...a lot, maybe too much

i&#39;ll make up my mind when chomsky is finished with me

[Felicia]

ahh, he&#39;s more anarchist.....

I know that you&#39;re not fully on our side..... but they&#39;ll try and place doubts in what you&#39;ve gained from all of this, and your reading..... don&#39;t let them do that, they&#39;re just conservative schmucks who wouldn&#39;t care less if they screwed you over. Maybe I&#39;m giving them too much credit, but some of them are real dicks, just wait for it, they&#39;ll be in this thread soon..... I guess this means I&#39;m "starting" something with them first, oh well..........bring it if thee shall cometh......

lalala

[Mogwai]

lol, not quite on your side, but if i didnt have a stong interest in it i wouldnt be here

and dont wory about me turning to the dark side, i may not know if im a communist yet, but i definately know i dont want to be one of, urgh, them

you&#39;ll find no slave of enron here

[Felicia]

ahhh, good good

[F_Hayek]

Originally posted by Mogwai@Aug 9 2003, 09:05 PM
Sorry if this sounds like a very simple question and has been answered somewhere else, but im a bit of a political n00b and fairly new to communism

but, my question:

if we embrace communism, do we sacrifice our individuality? because from my little exposure to these ideas so far, i think this may be why people are afraid of communism?

if every man, woman and child is provided with communist-brand beige training shoes, would we not lose some of our motivation? to work is to achieve something, a nice car, nice clothes, these material possessions that define who the modern man is in relation to his peers...


even a man living below the poverty line in a run down american town may fear communism, because he may think that he would have to sacrifice his freedom so succeed and to be an individual ?


once again, sorry if this is highly basic and n00bish behavior, but there doesnt seem to be a forum for people just starting out

Look at history and learn. Though you say you don&#39;t know a lot you have already captured the major flaws in the doctrine.

[apathy maybe]

Not everyone would be creating beige shoes, so not everyone would be wearing them.
The idea of communism is equality in opportunities and also equality in life in general. Even if you don&#39;t want to work, you still can get food and survieve quite well.
Don&#39;t worry about not losing your inderviduality. You get to expand it.

[187]

"Even if you don&#39;t want to work, you still can get food and survieve quite well."

What?&#33; Somebody who just "doesn&#39;t want to work" should get nothing.

Why should the people that do work take care of the lazy?

[Vinny Rafarino]

laziness is a symptom of the bourgeois mentality. Those who choose not to work will be re-educated in what it means to be a communist as they have obviously not understood what it means to be a new model of man.

People who lack the necessary ambition to work for the sake of working when all you require is provided to you still suffer from the one main sickness that communism strives to cure; greed.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

comrade raf i couldnt have said it better.

[apathy maybe]

Originally posted by 187@Aug 11 2003, 01:44 PM
"Even if you don&#39;t want to work, you still can get food and survieve quite well."

What?&#33; Somebody who just "doesn&#39;t want to work" should get nothing.

Why should the people that do work take care of the lazy?

Sounds like capitilism

[elijahcraig]

No, capitalism allows the poor an unfair chance, while the rich can inherit their riches without working. My father worked for 25 years in a mill, he got fired a month ago. Now we&#39;re in debt 25,000 dollars because our credit rolled over and our town&#39;s in a depression. What is happening at the same time? The capitalists are getting richer&#33; Under socialism, everyone gets a fair chance. No one has an excuse not to work, because it is fair. Other than elderly and disabled.

I&#39;m not sure about "re-education". They could be "re-educated", whatever that means...or they could just be let to see what it was like to not work and not be supported. And see if they a)starve or b)come around. After that if they are on the verge of starvation, then the can be "re-educated".

Under socialism, the first phase of communism, this would be a must. Under "complete communism", the people would be at such an interpdependent level, that we wouldn&#39;t have this problem.

[YKTMX]

Starving people to make them work. Ah, bring on Utopia, I&#39;m ready.

[sliverchrist]

Sorry if this sounds like a very simple question and has been answered somewhere else, but im a bit of a political n00b and fairly new to communism

but, my question:

if we embrace communism, do we sacrifice our individuality? because from my little exposure to these ideas so far, i think this may be why people are afraid of communism?

if every man, woman and child is provided with communist-brand beige training shoes, would we not lose some of our motivation? to work is to achieve something, a nice car, nice clothes, these material possessions that define who the modern man is in relation to his peers...


even a man living below the poverty line in a run down american town may fear communism, because he may think that he would have to sacrifice his freedom so succeed and to be an individual ?


once again, sorry if this is highly basic and n00bish behavior, but there doesnt seem to be a forum for people just starting out

I have not been able to obtain all the literature that I want on communism in general, so I am not as well versed as I would like to be on the matter, but...

I don&#39;t understand why the idea of communism sparks this idea of loosing individuality, uniforms, rationing food, getting what everyone else has, no choices. This does not entail communism.

From what I gather, communism is an economic structure that all to often is built into a religion with a para-military grin. At the core though what is there is the urge to account for everyone who is willing, but without the power.

It takes a truly selfless soul to actually apply communism, becuase it runs contrary to our nature.

Loosing individuality is a myth <getting back on the subject> to keep people in america as far away from communism as is possible. Same as the godless myth, its all for capitalistic safety.

Anyway, I don&#39;t know if that helps at all. Drop me a line if you want, the community has my email.

[sliverchrist]

shit, sorry about leaving your original post at the top of my post, I was using it for a reference.

[elijahcraig]

X, it sounds like you want an unfair society based on hardworkers supporting lazy ass motherfuckers. The latter half sound like capitalists. I don&#39;t want that. I want equality based on hard work, not lazy *****es whining while they eat their food provided to them by their neighbor.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by YouKnowTheyMurderedX@Aug 11 2003, 06:19 PM
Starving people to make them work. Ah, bring on Utopia, I&#39;m ready.

No food for you Mr. X.


Mr. Silver,


Homever told you that one must "sacrifice" their individuality in order to be communist is full of poop.

The working class will "work" for the benefit of society. When they are not working, they are free to become versed in the arts, literature, sciences etc. If a person want&#39;s to go bowling and drink beer when they are not working, they are free to do so. It would be absolutely impossible to create a robotic mass of "worker ants" that focus on nothing else but work from the human race. Basic human psychology would prevent this.

The indeal os a loss of individuality was not created by communist. One guess on what party is responsible for this rumour....

[Felicia]

Originally posted by sliverchrist@Aug 11 2003, 03:45 PM
shit, sorry about leaving your original post at the top of my post, I was using it for a reference.

How&#39;s the post now? I turned it into a quote

Ahh, the power :P

[YKTMX]

Originally posted by elijahcraig@Aug 11 2003, 07:44 PM
X, it sounds like you want an unfair society based on hardworkers supporting lazy ass motherfuckers. The latter half sound like capitalists. I don&#39;t want that. I want equality based on hard work, not lazy *****es whining while they eat their food provided to them by their neighbor.

Why is it that if someone is not prepared to work for society, that we question the person before the society? I don&#39;t believe anybody is born lazy, so anybody who chooses not to work under socialism, who objects to society, had the right to do so. Surely to force these people and people like them to work would be Alienation, which is one of the worst tenets of capitalist society. A persons right not to work is just as important as their right to work.