Christian Atheism

[Invincible Summer]

The acceptance of the teachings of Jesus in the absence of a belief in God.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_atheism

http://www.christianatheism.com/what...atheism-part-1

So these are Christians who just think Jesus was a really cool guy/character, and think that the concept of god and the church are outdated.

Many Christian atheists hold a contemporary vision of a modern society without God, but include the importance of Judeo-Christian values and the moral philosophies of Jesus

Judeo-Christian values I'm somewhat wary about, but "moral philosophies" of Jesus are pretty universal values, so I have no problem with this.



I think this is very interesting. I would like to hear what you anti-clerical people and anti-theists would say about this.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

The good stuff that Jesus supposedly said isn't original and the original stuff isn't good.

[¿Que?]

The good stuff that Jesus supposedly said isn't original and the original stuff isn't good.

The depressing thing is that you had to learn about it to make that point.

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I don't know much of anything about "the teachings of Jesus", but I feel confident saying that this is dumb as hell; reminds me somewhat of this, which is likewise dumb as hell.

[AristeraGR]

Jesus was the first communist in History he just didn't have the philosophy and choose the second best ''religion''.So now we have the idea let's forget religion.

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Jesus was the first communist in History he just didn't have the philosophy and choose the second best ''religion''.So now we have the idea let's forget religion.

From my understanding, its highly unlikely that Jesus even existed.

[Kuppo Shakur]

From my understanding, its highly irrelevant whether or not Jesus even existed.
Christianity is still stupid.

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From my understanding, its highly irrelevant whether or not Jesus even existed.
Christianity is still stupid.

I never argued otherwise, broski.

[Kuppo Shakur]

I'm just sayin.
If Jesus descended from the heavens right now and was like "Here I am", that doesn't validate christianity.
So it's stupid to argue about such things.

[¿Que?]

I'm just sayin.
If Jesus descended from the heavens right now and was like "Here I am", that doesn't validate christianity.
So it's stupid to argue about such things.

But it would give it a hell of a lot more evidence in its favor.

[Kuppo Shakur]

But it would give it a hell of a lot more evidence in its favor.

Evidence!? In mah religion!?
Good lawd!

[Invincible Summer]

The good stuff that Jesus supposedly said isn't original and the original stuff isn't good.

Yes, I know it isn't original. That's why I said that they are "universal" i.e. humanistic values. You know, basically "don't be a dick to other people."

I'm just saying that if all these people focus on is the humanist portion of Christianity, then it doesn't seem as abhorrent as the way it is typically practiced.

I'm just sayin.
If Jesus descended from the heavens right now and was like "Here I am", that doesn't validate christianity.
So it's stupid to argue about such things.

Such an act would validate Christianity, but not necessarily the teachings.

I don't know much of anything about "the teachings of Jesus", but I feel confident saying that this is dumb as hell; reminds me somewhat of this, which is likewise dumb as hell.

Could you elaborate on why this is "dumb as hell?" I'm not trying to pick a fight, just wondering where you're coming from.

But it doesn't seem at all similar to the site you linked to, which just seems to be some pro-Jewish culture thing, and not really any sort of philosophy.

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Could you elaborate on why this is "dumb as hell?" I'm not trying to pick a fight, just wondering where you're coming from.

But it doesn't seem at all similar to the site you linked to, which just seems to be some pro-Jewish culture thing, and not really any sort of philosophy.

Really? It seems extremely similar to me. From the wiki description of "Christian Atheism" that you linked:

Christian Atheism is an ideology in which the God of Christianity is rejected but the moral teachings of Jesus are followed.

The link I provided was regarding "Humanistic Judaism", which is an ideology in which the Jewish God is rejected but the "moral teachings" (lol) of Judaism are followed.
It seems to me like basically the same sort of deal. Again, my knowledge of Christianity being what it is (i.e. very limited), but its very difficult for me to imagine that anything which bases itself on the five books of Moses could have a lot of "humanistic" value. Judaism certainly has very little in my opinion, but obviously it doesn't stop people cherrypicking the scriptures to suit their own purposes.
There are a lot of genuinely "humanistic" texts around. What exactly is the purpose, if you are an atheist, in limiting yourself to the "humanistic teachings" of one of the Abrahamic religions? I just find the whole thing totally bizarre.

[Lenina Rosenweg]

I haven'y read the whole thread, I',m in a hurry, srry if this is offtopic. The Marxist philosopher Ernst Bloch said "the only good Christian is an atheist and the only good atheist is a Christian". He argued for a type of religionless Christianity. It makes sense.

[Blackscare]

Basically for Athiests who still want to be emotionally crippled by an absurd value system, as far as I can tell.

[Magón]

This is as bad as LDS (Latter Day-Saints aka Mormons) Anti-Revisionists calling themselves "LDS Anarchists". My mind just wants to tear them a new one!

[Rainsborough]

Surely Marxism, Socialism or Anarchisms main point is the bringing together all workers, without divisions caused by ethnicity, culture or religion? All this seems to do is give Christianity, which has been responsible for countless millions of deaths throughout its two thousand years, an excuse for yet another two thousand years. Atheist Christians - don't make me laugh!
What's next Islam without Allah, Bhuddism without Bhudda?

[AristeraGR]

Hey I never said cristianity or anyother religion is good.

[mikelepore]

a contemporary vision of a modern society without God, but include the importance of Judeo-Christian values and the moral philosophies of Jesus

A problem with that idea is Jesus's suggestion that people should walk away from their jobs and join a group that survives by begging for charity. That makes it a movement for a minority only, because someone has to produce the food that the group is begging for. This approach might make sense if the end of the world is imminent, which is a religious concept, but otherwise it's not sustainable.

[Invincible Summer]

Surely Marxism, Socialism or Anarchisms main point is the bringing together all workers, without divisions caused by ethnicity, culture or religion? All this seems to do is give Christianity, which has been responsible for countless millions of deaths throughout its two thousand years, an excuse for yet another two thousand years.

Well, to be fair, it's not a mass movement. So I don't see how it's trying to "breathe new life" into Christianity.

What's next Islam without Allah, Bhuddism without Bhudda?

Christianity is about Christ aka Jesus anyway, so God doesn't necessarily have to be the in the picture I guess. I'm not that read up on this yet. I'm not sure how they reconcile Jesus being the son of God then...

Also, Buddhists don't worship Buddha so I'm not sure where you're going with that.