What is the Marxist view on the Handicapped or the Disabled ?

[tradeunionsupporter]

What is the Marxist view on the Handicapped or the Disabled ?

[Dean]

That they are handicapped or disabled and their economic activity will be limited by that fact, and their needs will also be greater.

Not sure what you're looking for; handicaps of all types are problems for every society, and in every society that doesn't directly ostracize them, some method for meeting their particular needs is put in place.

And just like with all human needs, Marxists tend to believe in very direct, empowering models for meeting them.

[M-26-7]

Exterminate them. They are a blight on humanity. Since they don't and can't work, they are lumpen scum.

Not joking btw.

[#FF0000]

Exterminate them. They are a blight on humanity. Since they don't and can't work, they are lumpen scum.

Not joking btw.

Oh you best be joking.

[LC89]

There must be expertise that they has. I know L'Occitane train blind kids to become perfumers since the use smell to design perfume. It would be great that goverment has some programs that specialize in training them.

[EvilRedGuy]

Exterminate them. They are a blight on humanity. Since they don't and can't work, they are lumpen scum.

Not joking btw.

This better be a fucking joke, but its not even funny. Respect to the Lumpen!! Cmon, they are disabled, desperate, or homeless its nothing to joke about.

[Obs]

Respect to the Lumpen!!

Ehhh

[Die Rote Fahne]

That they are handicapped or disabled and their economic activity will be limited by that fact, and their needs will also be greater.

Not sure what you're looking for; handicaps of all types are problems for every society, and in every society that doesn't directly ostracize them, some method for meeting their particular needs is put in place.

And just like with all human needs, Marxists tend to believe in very direct, empowering models for meeting them.

Exactly this.

[Die Rote Fahne]

Exterminate them. They are a blight on humanity. Since they don't and can't work, they are lumpen scum.

Not joking btw.

You best clarify whether or not you are joking. If you aren't joking, then you'll likely be banned. You can then enjoy eugenics with the nice people of storm front.

[cb9's_unity]

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" seems to sum it up pretty nicely. As far as I can tell that slogan doesn't exclude those who can't give much but need a lot.

[Revolutionair]

What the guy above me said.

[M-26-7]

Oh you best be joking.

Kind of joking but I mean if you believe in the labor theory of value how can you defend people who perform no productive labor? Don't they live off the labor of others, through taxes? I'm honestly asking here.

By the way someone referenced eugenics. But that's unfair, I didn't mean that they should be killed, I meant they should be eliminated as a class, like the kulaks.

[Skooma Addict]

By the way someone referenced eugenics. But that's unfair, I didn't mean that they should be killed, I meant they should be eliminated as a class, like the kulaks.

You are a fucking idiot.

[bricolage]

By the way someone referenced eugenics. But that's unfair, I didn't mean that they should be killed, I meant they should be eliminated as a class, like the kulaks.

How can you eliminate disabled people without killing them?

[cb9's_unity]

Kind of joking but I mean if you believe in the labor theory of value how can you defend people who perform no productive labor? Don't they live off the labor of others, through taxes? I'm honestly asking here.

By the way someone referenced eugenics. But that's unfair, I didn't mean that they should be killed, I meant they should be eliminated as a class, like the kulaks.

In an ideal world work would be totally voluntary, thus those who can not work would have no legal obligation to do so. Thus our problem with the bourgeois is not that they don't do work, it is that they exploit the working class. They don't pay workers equal to the value that they have created, and they enforce scarcity in order to keep the market alive. The disabled do neither of these things. Socialism will thrive because of abundance (as opposed to capitalism which goes into crisis because of it) and thus be able to provide for those who cannot work.

Don't fall for the strawman argument that Marxism is solely focused on what is good for the "group". Marxism aims to a create a society in which each individual can fully explore their entire human potential. Destroying class antagonisms and the market are only the steps to creating that society.

[Dean]

You are a fucking idiot.

More of Skooma's brilliant contributions.

[Dean]

Kind of joking but I mean if you believe in the labor theory of value how can you defend people who perform no productive labor? Don't they live off the labor of others, through taxes? I'm honestly asking here.

By the way someone referenced eugenics. But that's unfair, I didn't mean that they should be killed, I meant they should be eliminated as a class, like the kulaks.

The LTV doesn't preclude social welfare. It explains how value is transformed in the market, the extraction of surplus value &c..

I'm not aware of any moral prescription thereof.

[#FF0000]

More of Skooma's brilliant contributions.

No that was unironically a brilliant contribution

[#FF0000]

Kind of joking but I mean if you believe in the labor theory of value how can you defend people who perform no productive labor? Don't they live off the labor of others, through taxes? I'm honestly asking here.

I'm going to take for granted that you really are just that fucking stupid so I'll explain it while only very rarely pointing out that you're an idiot.

Being disabled doesn't mean you can't function at all, first off. "Disabled" covers a whole lot of things, and even people with severe physical and even mental disabilities can live independently and function.

And either way whether or not someone is capable of work doesn't dictate whether or not they're worthy of a decent life. Someone's worth isn't dependent on how useful they are and it isn't someone's fucking fault if they have a disability.

By the way someone referenced eugenics. But that's unfair, I didn't mean that they should be killed, I meant they should be eliminated as a class, like the kulaks.

Last I checked "disabled" isn't an economic class so please explain this.

[Rainsborough]

Exterminate them. They are a blight on humanity. Since they don't and can't work, they are lumpen scum.

Not joking btw.

Speaking as someone classed as 'Disabled' due to capitalistic activity, might I say 'up yours!'.