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Ed Milliband wins Labour Party elections
Thoughts?
Personally I'm pretty happy with the result. He stood on a good platform, and, unlike many of our politicians, hasn't really put a foot wrong over the last few years. I think he'll take the party in the right direction, which can only be a good thing.
If nothing spectacular happens, it could be a repetition of 1983 (if he moves Labour to the left).
I think we'll see a period of left populism that will coincide with the huge wave of discontent that the cuts will bring.
Realistically, the only way that Labour can become a real opposition, in terms of parliamentary politics, is if they adopt a left position. Ed Miliband is lucky enough to have a fairly clean record in relation to his brother. They're all the same though; bourgeois, career politicians.
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I love how everybody seems to be asking whether or not he'll take the party towards the left, as if that would be somehow controversial. The Labour party being further left than the Lib Dems?! Surely not! I thought everybody just wanted three dead-centre parties, and just voted on whether or not they find red, blue or yellow ties more attractive on a man
All I know is, with a Millie in charge of the Labour Party, it must be Neil Kinnock's worst nightmare!
Seriously though, I doubt there will be much of a change. Sure, Ed was the Milliband that positioned to the left, but I don't think there was much substantive difference than David, and any meaningful shift to the left inside the Labour Party will probably be on the grassroots level.
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I miss the Militant tendency. -____________-
there's still the socialist appeal group, part of the former Militant tendency, inside Labour. With Militant Labour having long since changed their name to Socialist Party of England and Wales they oughtta switch back to 'Militant', sounds so much more badass than socialist appeal.
I think with Ed winning the leadership it would be worth some of us genuine lefties trying to infiltrate again, and hopefully shift Labour further left.
I understand people say 'oh well, don't you know labour didn't get in power in the 80s when they were too left wing?', but it strikes me that during the current climate of being attacked by Tory Libdem cuts the public will begin to prefer a leftist not centralist party.
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I just wonder why people still have some faith on parliamentary political parties like the Labor Party or something else. What Milliband can do maximum is to give the British state a left mask, NOTHING MORE.
Ed Milliband is to the Labour Party what Hu Jintao is to the Chinese Communist Party, they are both "left masks".
This thread offers a glimpse into everything wrong with the British left.
Until now, the left has only managed capital in various ways; the point, however, is to destroy it.
People today, or at least those in the centre, doesn't want ideology. They just want someone to deliver. That is the main problem. Otherwise Blair or Clinton wouldn't have been so successful.I love how everybody seems to be asking whether or not he'll take the party towards the left, as if that would be somehow controversial. The Labour party being further left than the Lib Dems?! Surely not! I thought everybody just wanted three dead-centre parties, and just voted on whether or not they find red, blue or yellow ties more attractive on a man
I don't really care. It's near-irrelevant for Marxists, or at least it shouldn't been seen as a minor-victory, positive move forward or small consolation. Yes, he might be considered "close" to the British trade union movement, but what does this entail? I'm inclined to think this is worse for the 7 million union-members in the UK, because a bourgeois, reformist party like (New) Labour will do everything they can to slow down, and quash the militancy of, any decisive strike action, I would think. Brown described the recent BA strikes here, which didn't really go anywhere, as "deplorable", if I remember rightly. Anyway, Milliband, just like every other candidate, is firmly sided with capital and serves bourgeois interests, not labours interests, unfortunately. Having said that, there are some actual socialists at a grassroots level in the party but, partly due to the increasing internal lack of democracy in Labour, they are becoming a forever marginalised and dwindling force.
Both for the production on a mass scale of this communist consciousness, and for the success of the cause itself, the alteration of men on a mass scale is, necessary, an alteration which can only take place in a practical movement, a revolution; this revolution is necessary, therefore, not only because the ruling class cannot be overthrown in any other way, but also because the class overthrowing it can only in a revolution succeed in ridding itself of all the muck of ages and become fitted to found society anew
Are revolutionaries really concerned with minor changes on the bourgoeis playing field? The structures are the same.
Labor party is a old proven to be failed idea. Let's not forget that the LP voted to attack Iraq, Afghanistan etc etc and are imperialist to the bone
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100926/...britain_labour
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I don't support Labour but the "Labour" leadership that supported that was pseudo-thatcherite new labour.
Yeah but the "LEFT" supported him also. I was pointing out that he said that he wasn't a red.
"If you tremble indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine."
"Production by the masses, the interests of the masses, the experiences and feelings of the masses - to these the leading cadres should pay constant attention."
"Our duty is to hold ourselves responsible to the people. Every word, every act and every policy must conform to the people's interests, and if mistakes occur, they must be corrected - that is what being responsible to the people means."
Honestly, I thought that all three main candidates were so similar that they would eventually merge into an amorphous blob of neoliberal New Labour bullshit called Ed Miliballs.
David Miliband: I think your 3% titanium tax goes too far
Ed Miliband: I think your 3% titanium tax doesn't go too far enough!
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Ralph Miliband: I said the Labour Party could never bring socialism. Looks like my idiot sons proved it.
Also, this is as true today as it was the day it was written: http://flag.blackened.net/liberty/labor-illusion.html
