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  1. 18th September 2001, 01:22 #1
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    I was tempted to entitle this topic 'Bush - you might as well have a chimp in the White House' but decided it was far too serious to joke about ... that, and it would have been insulting to chimps.

    At all times, but especially in times of disaster, nations need a strong leader - strong in terms of intellect, diplomacy, caution, humanity and eloquence (amongst other things). Think Kennedy's handling of the Cuban missile crisis. As an Australian I can say that Bush has made a very poor impression (to put it politely) on the majority of citizens here, throughout his 'leadership'.

    If Republicans settled for Bush, thinking he'd 'do' and was only going to be a puppet anyway, even they must now be lamenting the lack of a real leader and hopefully, are painfully reminded of the importance of the individual who does occupy that office.
    It cannot but be supportive, socialist, communist or whatever you want to call it. Does nature, and the human species with it, have much time left to survive in the absence of such change? Very little time. Who will be the builders of that new world? The
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    In truth if you look at Bush closely you can see his strings... a true corprate puppet if there ever was one.

    What makes me sick the most about this WTC disaster and which I think is even a greater tragedy is how Americans are now rallying behind Bush. Some saying they never supported him as president untill now. Those morons chanting USA USA USA and "Bomb Afghanistan" . I'm not a big supporter of war, but at least we should get some good witty quotes out of it... Churhill, FDR, JFK, regardless of political beliefs where all carasmatic and good speakers... but then you had to be in those days... now days you just need a clean record, and no opinon on anything too conterversal. I shutter to think of his butchered English and history books with quotes from this "wartime president"... stuff like "Freedom itself was attacked... and freedom will be defended" I don't know where he got that... of the back of his Frosted Flakes maybe...

    (Edited by RedCeltic at 10:06 pm on Sep. 17, 2001)
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  3. 18th September 2001, 02:12 #3
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    Redceltic - lol! - spot on.

    The prize quote thus far has to be the one to the effect of "There's a poster out in the old West that says 'Wanted Dead or Alive'". Not to mention "This will be a monumental struggle of good versus evil, but good will prevail".

    Pass the bucket please...
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  4. 18th September 2001, 02:20 #4
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    i think the reason people are supporting him are two fold. first they don't want to feel like a traitor, and second they are hopeful and just need someone to rally around.

    when he visited the firemen in ny:
    "you take care of the search and recovery and i'll take care of the search and destroy!" (followed by roar of applause, laghter, and hoots)-scary
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  5. 18th September 2001, 03:35 #5
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    pce... yea I heard that on the radio and I couldn't believe i was hearing it. As for people rallying by him... I suppose "any port in a storm" is aproprate.
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    What about Colin Powell? He's pretty decent, IMO.
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    What about Colin Powell?

    Indeed.

    Here's the first of a five part series about Powell:

    http://www.consortiumnews.com/2000/121700a.html

    It's not a very flattering picture that emerges.

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    Yes, people are supporting Bush now, but let's not forget that his father had a 90% approval rating after the Gulf War and still lost the election.

    This shows the political awareness of many US citizens, I think. What was wrong yesterday is still wrong today. I see that the intelligence community is using this to gain a whole slew of new "rights," that unavoidably destroy civil liberties, something the right-wing wants to do anyway.

    As far as I can tell, no good has come from this tragedy at all. There is no silver lining.

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    (Edited by vox at 5:55 am on Sep. 18, 2001)
    Economists have provided capitalists with a comforting concept called the "free market." It does not describe any part of reality, at any place or time. It's a mantra conveniently invoked when it is proposed that government do something the faithful don't like, and just as conveniently ignored whenever they want government to do something for them.
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    When Powell was given the office of Sec. of State, I thought he was a bad choice and clearly be a figurehead. After all he's what the Black Panther Party call an "Orieo" black on the outside but white on the inside. When confronted with the posibility that the Isralies where bulding more settlements to push out the Palistinians Powell said that he assured everyone that no new settlements where being built. Which is only propaganda that comes from Jewish Americans that he's restating without looking at the fact that hords of Jews as flocking to Isrial right now. In New York I'm constantly hearing of families that are moving to new homes being bult in Isrial... they even said that there are huge construction projects going on and alot more homes available. However presently he seems to be doing a fair job with the present situation.
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    I was pleased to see that yesterday the puppet masters had Bush do something decent - condemn racism against Arab communities and people, in strong terms. Although, at one point when he was stating that such behaviour is 'not the American way' etc, I was worried that he might use the term 'unAmerican' a la McCarthy... thankfully, he didn't.
    It cannot but be supportive, socialist, communist or whatever you want to call it. Does nature, and the human species with it, have much time left to survive in the absence of such change? Very little time. Who will be the builders of that new world? The
  11. 19th September 2001, 02:20 #11
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    suprising

    at least he hasn't made up any words lately.

    (Edited by azwethinkweiz at 10:28 am on Sep. 19, 2001)
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    Yea someone had him say something good for a change... I think the Vice President is doing a fair job in keeping him in line... I do wonder who told him to say that however.... ( awwh... I'm so hard on the guy...)

    As for Senitor McCarthy... *spitting the name* I hope we don't see anything resembling him with all this nationism spreading around. We are still fealing the affects of his anti Communist/Socialist/un-American spree...
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  13. 19th September 2001, 02:37 #13
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    oh god, talk about a nightmare
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    redceltic, i can't believe you said this about powel, "black on the outside but white on the inside."

    that's ridiculous. what does it mean to be black or white? we are all human. the color of your skin is not your choice and so doesn't matter. what does it mean to be "white on the inside?" or "black on the outside?"
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    That was just something someone said to me. What I ment was that he is viewed by some as an African-American who doesn't stand up for other African-Americans. His views and policies seem tend to be farther from the norm than other African-Americans. And that was something a Black Panther Party suporter said to me... I know it's a racist comment I should have said it better... I just stated an opinion I heard from someone who supports the Black Panther Party. I should have just said that he doesn't support the interests of the general black community... at least that's what I have heard from people I know... they are mostly supporters of Sharpton, Jackson,etc... Believe me there are other words they use to discribe Powell that I wouldn't use. I shouldn't have used that one I suppose as I'm white and can be taken the wrong way.. sorry.

    And I think my previous beliefs on him being poor for the job was unfounded for he seems to be doing a smashing job, at least at the moment.

    (Edited by RedCeltic at 1:17 am on Sep. 19, 2001)
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    whenever i watch bush speak and i shake my head in disappointment, first, i think of nader and what a wonderful job he could have done, and how much better he could have done it than bush.... and then i think of gore... and i think we should all be thankful we dont have to hear or see that man on the news everyday. phew
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    Actualy one of the scarist things was the way the White House used the crises to slide through confirmation of John Negreponte as UN Ambasador. Guess we have a real Terroisim expert there now!
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    Michael Moore for Prez!!!
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  19. 19th September 2001, 14:34 #19
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    Hndsmcelt,

    Thanks for the update, I missed that one. It's not really surprising, however. I expect he would have been confirmed anyway.

    To all, one thing to remember about Bush: he's not as stupid as we like to believe. He knows exactly what he's doing, and he's doing it on purpose. I believe that he's aware that his policies will hurt real people and that he doesn't care. Don't forget, this is a man who made fun of a death row inmate.

    His politics are clear, and there's no need to draw conclusions based on speculation. Every time he's had to choose between the capitalists and the workers, he's sided with the capitalists. There is no shock or surprise here. His policies as governor are not a secret, and there's no reason to think that he doesn't realize what he's doing.

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    I think we realise that he knows what he's doing but he can't hide his seriously deficient IQ - the man can barely string a coherent sentence together. Perhaps if he had 2 brain cells to spare he wouldn't be so dogmatic or certain about his political position - thoughts might creep in and present different possibilities! His absolutism gives him away.
    It cannot but be supportive, socialist, communist or whatever you want to call it. Does nature, and the human species with it, have much time left to survive in the absence of such change? Very little time. Who will be the builders of that new world? The
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