Feminists... Male?

[cska]

the audiobook available on youtube "the myth of male power" would shut up anyone who thought women were oppressed.

This is outrageous bullshit. What a load of crap.

[GreenCommunism]

the guy is actually a leftist(perhaps a liberal) , i havent listened to all of the ebook ,but so far he says there is a problem with books about relationships being aimed almost exclusively to woman, another of his book is woman can't hear what men don't say. he is not a matriarchical paranoid asshole, he sounds like he wants dialogue. i disagree with the title but i think his argument is that society is not male or woman dominated but there are differnet domination in different spheres, which i disagree with, men dominate society much more than woman do especially when it comes to having effective political power.

[cska]

Exactly. The truth is that men dominate nearly every aspect of society. So it isn't like there are pros and cons to being male vs female. Males are almost universally better off than females.

[Queercommie Girl]

Exactly. The truth is that men dominate nearly every aspect of society. So it isn't like there are pros and cons to being male vs female. Males are almost universally better off than females.

There are certain sub-sets of men who are heavily disadvantaged by the present system, such as gay and bi-sexual men.

The most basic division in capitalist society, as Marxism teaches us, is not gender but class. A black working class man isn't necessarily "better off" in concrete socio-economic terms than a white big capitalist woman.

[Queercommie Girl]

Correlation does not equal causation though. If more homosexual males feel detachment from their fathers than heterosexuals, it could be due to their homosexual nature in the first place which caused them to take an interest in "non-masculine" things and behavior which created an inability to relate to the heterosexual father.

For the record I am a bisexual male and I did grow up in a single parent household with a domineering mother who injected negative feelings towards my father in me.

Many heterosexuals also have problematic family relationships. Does this mean these problematic family relationships are the cause of heterosexuality?

The whole logic of looking to justify homosexuality with some kind of problematic family relationship is fundamentally flawed.

[GreenCommunism]

There are certain sub-sets of men who are heavily disadvantaged by the present system, such as gay and bi-sexual men.

The most basic division in capitalist society, as Marxism teaches us, is not gender but class. A black working class man isn't necessarily "better off" in concrete socio-economic terms than a white big capitalist woman.

i think that men who do not fit into the model of patriarchy are the one you talk about. also men on men violence is caused by patriarchy as the stronger mens seeking to display their dominance or that they are real men, the other men who do not fit into the commonly accepted image of patriarchy are then called homophobic or female words as they consider it a slur.

yes a bourgeois woman is better off than a working class black, but i feel that woman will have their ability and achievement minimized more than a black bourgeois.

the question about homosexuality is whether it is purely genetic or it could have something to do with environment, i've always downplayed the non-genetic part as being some extreme-right excuse to deny the genetic part of it but i wouldn't care if it had any influence. it's mostly about oestrogens in food and family roles, i think usually a child prefer his opposite sex parents for some reason if i am not wrong. i am not sure of what i advance so please pardon me if i am wrong.

[anticap]

What I'm trying to say is that while men and women differ in physical traits, one cannot state than one sex is more productive than the other. So in the socialist sense they are both equal and are either part of 2 elements creative and uncreative neither of which can be attributed to sex.

I agree, and I didn't mean to suggest that you were literally equating men and women as though all people were clones; I just felt that it needed to be said because I've had ideological enemies accuse me of doing just that.

[Orange Juche]

Can there be male feminists? While talking with a friend, he claimed that there can be no male feminists. Is this true or not? What do you think. Please mention your stance (feminist or not) and sex (male/female...).
Pesronally, I consider myself a male feminist. Let's start...

Anyone who honestly believes men can't be feminists aren't feminists in the first place. They're female-supremacists. Make of that what you will.

[cska]

Anyone who honestly believes men can't be feminists aren't feminists in the first place. They're female-supremacists. Make of that what you will.

Or they are males who accuse feminism of being female-supremism.