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I m looking for info for stormfront
What's up with that site?I checked on Alexa and its like,crazy high,4.000something in US ranking.Considering that our rank is 147.827,makes me wonder...How tha fuck so many nazis gathered in US?How is this possible?
Well I feel like a lot of the traffic is for laughs, it's also more controversial than our site and as a result of the publicity has more traffic. Not to mention the site is older than RevLeft and since most fascists can't really participate in real world politics because everyone hates them they just go on that site and BS all day.
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alexa ranks are not vary accurate, it relies on people install a tool bar in there browser, which i think only works in internet explorer and i would imagine many socialists would be reluctant to install something that monitors what they look at.
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i seriously doubt that...because if you check on indymedia,its twise big as stromfront.the problem is,the top 2 indymedia sites in hits are thw two greek ones,athens.indymedia and patras.indymedia...
we have to kick up dust about revleft...
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internet is a major issue in todays society.nazis cannot win on this one...
What do you suggest we do about our petty rank?
Who cares about internet rankings anyways. It's not like it's gonna bring us an inch closer to (Libertarian) Communism...
"Of Man's first disobedience, and the fruit
Of that forbidden tree..."
- John Milton -
"The place of the worst barbarism is that modern forest that makes use of us, this forest of chimneys and bayonets, machines and weapons, of strange inanimate beasts that feed on human flesh"
- Amadeo Bordiga
its not about the rankings themselves.Its about people reading us and our opinions.thats the great revolution of internet:it makes your ideas accesible by anyone.Dont you care about that?
i dont know,anyone can do whatever he feels like.
Black Sheep per say did this cool video to promote the forum
+ YouTube Video
you can makes stickers,graffity,i dunno...think and be creative!
Sure, I just don't think opinions, posts stating this or that, or pleas for (Libertarian) communism will act as a catalyst for the social revolution. Revolution is born from workers agitating against their present-day material conditions, their refusal of class society (consciously or not) and the desire for an alternative born from this refusal. It's a solemnly material process, not an idealist one born from propaganda. People (save for a minority) simply aren't motivated by ideals. Whether someone reads revleft (or any other medium for that matter) or not is largely irrelevant to people who don't already have a certain degree of class consciousness. Revleft is good as a discussion forum for the pro-revolutionary milieu, not as an actual catalyst for revolution.
"Of Man's first disobedience, and the fruit
Of that forbidden tree..."
- John Milton -
"The place of the worst barbarism is that modern forest that makes use of us, this forest of chimneys and bayonets, machines and weapons, of strange inanimate beasts that feed on human flesh"
- Amadeo Bordiga
This. Sure, there might be a huge number that Stormfront gets might just be for laughs but their idea is still getting out and being heard amongst the populace.
And whats to say with all the general upset and confusion that many middle-class and poor white americans arent looking for this as a solution and as a vent for all the anger they have which is being misguided by the capitalists to help divide the workers?
Either way, something needs to be done. Perhaps we could get sometihng started here on RevLeft for a course of action we could take?
One of my teachers did a class on internet authenticity. she showed us a website about MLK and people generally expected it to be genuine, she then clicked on the link at the verrrrrry bottom and sure enough it was a stormfront front page trying to say MLK was fucked up and lied out their teeth about him. so maybe it's either a problem that they have many outside links or that maybe lots of teachers use this as a prime example for teaching students to watch out for biased nazi assholes and from the way she made it sound its a pretty common example. so in short there's no way that many people are genuinely interested or are neo-nazis
"dissent is the highest form of patriotism."-trying to figure that out
"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it"-Abraham Lincoln
I remember the folks at Stormfront braging about the MLK site getting them the most visitors. Google "Martin Luther King" and the thrid site you get is Stormfront's (see the link at the bottom, as Big Red said).
They were also a topic in a TV show because one of their users commited a crime he posted about earlier or something like that. That brought them further popularity, just as the presence of right-wing prominence like Don Black and David Duke does.
While their ranking and growing number of members is surely worrying and a product of the crisis of capitalism and while it would be very much appreciated if more people visited/read/joined Revleft, it's as Ravachol already said: class struggle won't be decided by and revolution doesn't depend on the ranking of an internet forum.
dude,are my english that bad?did i said that revolution will be decided by the rankings of some internet fora?the whole idea is this:their ideas are beeing spread through internet more than ours.Some people dont see the importance.OK.One is responsible for ones actions and stance on issues...
Not gathered. Basically, they are the "harder wing" to the tea partiers. The rest of the world has been dealing with neo-nazi's for the last 70 years, but you have to remember, long before hitler, those racial ideologies were staked in America. The Confederacy (a white supremacist, quasi fascist movement under a false guise of 'states rights'...as in states rights to deny rights no nonwhites), the Indian wars (ethnic cleansing on a scale that matches the holocaust), the philippines American war (where the term concentration camp was made mainstream), the civil right movement.What's up with that site?I checked on Alexa and its like,crazy high,4.000something in US ranking.Considering that our rank is 147.827,makes me wonder...How tha fuck so many nazis gathered in US?How is this possible?
The Nazi's may be a large subculture in America, but their ideologies of racial supremacy and hate are steeped in American history and culture. Their American wing basically melded into long pre-existing kukluxklan beliefs and organizations.
Every Tea Partier, necon-turned-libertarian and Republican is now using Stormfront as their online primary corresponding and organization web. And after the election of a half black democrat (who ran as a progressive, though he runs as a republican to appease white right wing republican), they are angrier and louder than ever before. Hell, one of the first ways people knew of the racist underbelly of the tea party was its extensive rallying and support on Stormfront. The same for Rand and Ron Pauls (who supported and were supported by Don black, one of stormfronts owners/creators).
In adding in what revachol said, we must also remember, fascist tend to have money. By default, they support and are supported by money interests. Working class people often cant afford internet. Dont let site traffic fool you. If "who gets better ratings" was an indicator of politics, Democrats in America would not have won the last 2 elections, since Fox has among the nations highest consistent viewership.
I had an account on Stormfront awhile back that I was using to keep tabs on the fascists. I was banned because instead of keeping my mouth shut I decided to engage them on their "Debate a White Nationalist" sub-forum. As it turns out they weren't at all interested in a logical debate which makes me wonder why they had that sub-forum in the first place.
The reason sites like that are so popular is because there is a growing interest in the White Supremacy movement. The number of hate groups in the US is increasingly exponentially which means we must step-up our efforts if we are to remain a force to be reckoned with. The battle may take place on the internet or in the streets but make no mistake about it; we are at war.
maybe its a time for "guerilla warfare" against the far right of US,with all the antifascist-antiracist forces united...
Would only get them the sympathies of some of the republican nutters.
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Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.51
They already have the sympathies of the republicans. Hell, they are the republicans. Just the more adamant ones.
Open attack is a last resort, and usually fails in the long run. It can work, but only with extremely massive amounts of ground support (backing of people) and organization.
Simple unwieldy attacks gain nothing. A good analysis would be to look at the lack of substantial gains achieved by the relatively unorganized PLO, FARC and Tamil Tigers, compared to the highly successful organized Castro/Che, Bolsheviks, the old IRA and ETA. Unless you have control over ground turf AND are able to out maneuver and politically embarrass your aggressor, the odds are near impossible to succeed in open conflict.
Especially now in America. The Far right runs all facets of the media, and the so called party of the called 'left' are either puppets, charletons or weak kneed selfish appeasers with a false notion of what the country is or how it really works. They are more concerned with keeping the wars going and cutting assistance to the poor to appease the loud, greedy rich (and keep the national debt down so that top 2%'s money doesnt lose any value) rather than helping the people that elected them.
Then again, if the Tea Party Fascists get a foothold, I suspect the neofascism we lived under Bush 2 and even Reagan will be near-fond memories to what these psychopaths and bigots want.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying violence is always bad, I'm just saying that violence against fascists in the US, at this current time, seems to me like a very ill considered thing to do, and would cause more problems than it would solve
Economic Left/Right: -5.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.51
