Nazi's and Communism???

[StoneFrog]

My head is spinning atm, just found out about the National Bolshevik party and feel sick to the stomach. What the hell is this relationship between fascists and communist ideology?? I was looking up symbols and came across a load of hammer and sickle imagery with fascist groups.

[Steve_j]

LOL!!

There have been a few threads on them, pretty fucked up, also refered to as "nazi bols"

Im feeling lazy but if you do a little search a fair bit should come up on them.

[Muzk]

This movement originated in Russia somewhen in the 1920's.

Ah, here...
National Bolshevism is a political movement that claims to combine elements of nationalism and Bolshevism.[1] It is often anti-capitalist in tone, and sympathetic towards certain nationalist forms of communism and socialism. Nevertheless, National Bolshevism is separate and distinct from National Communism.
Today, Russia is considered to be the center of National Bolshevism, and almost all of the National Bolshevik parties and organizations in the world are connected to it. Amongst the leading practitioners and theorists of National Bolshevism are Aleksandr Dugin and Eduard Limonov, who leads the unregistered and banned National Bolshevik Party (NBP) in Russia.[2] Influenced heavily by the idea of geopolitics, current Russian National Bolshevik movements propose a merger between Russia, Europe and parts of Asia, in a union to be known as Eurasia.
The Franco-Belgian Parti Communautaire National-Européen shares National Bolshevism's desire for the creation of a united Europe, as well as many of the NBP's economic ideas. French political figure Christian Bouchet has also been influenced by the idea.[3]

Basicly my oppion of them: I could care less about them. They betray the name Bolsheivk and pretend to be like them. thought they defend "Stalinism" I still could care less. They say their with the left but thats just a load of BS and shouldnt be even consdiered with us. The Nazbols are nothing more then a crazied party or organization following a ideal that makes no sesne.

here a very old thread
http://www.revleft.com/vb/national-b...nal_bolshevism

[StoneFrog]

The world just gets more fucked up everyday

[Sasha]

there was also an "left" tendency in the german nazi party mostly led by the brothers strasser ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strasserism) and followed by the SA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung)

a lot of the more populair nazi groups in western europe on this moment modle themselfs on this kind of "good nazism".

they have been discussed a lot on this board before: http://www.revleft.com/vb/search.php?searchid=2707700

[Nolan]

It's an incoherent ideology that has split into a fascist strain and a confused near-leftist strain.

They basically cover their Russian ultra-nationalism with Soviet nostalgia and a pro-labor face.

[Imposter Marxist]

If you thought that was fucked up, check out National Anarchism.

[Baseball]

Considering that both the Nazis (National Socialists) and Communists (International Socialists) were (are) both socialists, the symmetry one finds between the two ought not be surprising.

[Shinigami]

Considering that both the Nazis (National Socialists) and Communists (International Socialists) were (are) both socialists, the symmetry one finds between the two ought not be surprising.

The Nazis weren't and aren't socialist in the slightest.

[#FF0000]

Considering that both the Nazis (National Socialists) and Communists (International Socialists) were (are) both socialists, the symmetry one finds between the two ought not be surprising.

Nazis aren't socialists at all, though.

EDIT: Actually, can you explain why you think this? I'm gonna be teaching history so I like to know what mistakes people made to get people to believe nazis and socialists are on the same page.

[Weezer]

Considering that both the Nazis (National Socialists) and Communists (International Socialists) were (are) both socialists, the symmetry one finds between the two ought not be surprising.

National Socialism, you mean that ideology funded by big businesses in the 1920's and 1930's?

Remember the countless dollars spent by big business to prop up National Socialist governments and parties because they were anti-communist and were Corporatist?

Nazis don't deserve the title of socialist.

[Baseball]

[QUOTE=psycho;1848737]there was also an "left" tendency in the german nazi party mostly led by the brothers strasser

a lot of the more populair nazi groups in western europe on this moment modle themselfs on this kind of "good nazism".



The left tendency within national socialism consisted of complete support for what the Nazis are famous for. The dispute was over tactics.

In other words, there was no left tendency within national socialism. Even folks like Hitler belong on the Left.

[#FF0000]

[QUOTE=Baseball;1849198][QUOTE=psycho;1848737]there was also an "left" tendency in the german nazi party mostly led by the brothers strasser

a lot of the more populair nazi groups in western europe on this moment modle themselfs on this kind of "good nazism".

The left tendency within national socialism consisted of complete support for what the Nazis are famous for. The dispute was over tactics.

In other words, there was no left tendency within national socialism. Even folks like Hitler belong on the Left.

Based on what? What is the slightest bit "leftist" about Hitler's policies?

[28350]

This is by far my favorite syncretic ideology:
The Libertarian National Socialist Green Party

[Baseball]

National Socialism, you mean that ideology funded by big businesses in the 1920's and 1930's?

Remember the countless dollars spent by big business to prop up National Socialist governments and parties because they were anti-communist and were Corporatt.

This is one of the mistakes which the Best Mod... Can teach his students in the future. The claims that big business funded the nazis in the 20s has long been destroyed. Big business gave money to EVERYONE (except the communists). While the Nazis did receive funds, it was never the lion share of the total which was donated.

this of course changed by the early 30s when the choices faced was to be murdered by the reds, or become slaves to the browns (and there was a fair amount of extortion as well).

[#FF0000]

This is one of the mistakes which the Best Mod... Can teach his students in the future. The claims that big business funded the nazis in the 20s has long been destroyed. Big business gave money to EVERYONE (except the communists). While the Nazis did receive funds, it was never the lion share of the total which was donated.

this of course changed by the early 30s when the choices faced was to be murdered by the reds, or become slaves to the browns (and there was a fair amount of extortion as well).

Can I get a source for this?

[Baseball]

[QUOTE=The Best Mod In Revleft History;1849202][QUOTE=Baseball;1849198]

there was also an "left" tendency in the german nazi party mostly led by the brothers strasser

a lot of the more populair nazi groups in western europe on this moment modle themselfs on this kind of "good nazism".





Based on what? What is the slightest bit "leftist" about Hitler's policies?

Oscar the Grouch pointed out one-- the national socialists can be argued to have been the first environmentalist government in office in Europe.

[Nolan]

Considering that both the Nazis (National Socialists) and Communists (International Socialists) were (are) both socialists, the symmetry one finds between the two ought not be surprising.

Funny these socialists weren't against private property and considered socialism as the whole rest of the world knows it to be a vast Jewish conspiracy.

What our history books don't tell us is that the nazis (and the Italian fascists) would have made Reagan proud with their attitude toward public utilities and workers wages.

National socialism is capitalism, not socialism. If Hitler would have gotten his way, the NSDAP would have been called the "social revolutionary party" and "national socialism" wouldn't be fooling the ignorant to this very day.

[Nolan]

The left tendency within national socialism consisted of complete support for what the Nazis are famous for. The dispute was over tactics.

In other words, there was no left tendency within national socialism. Even folks like Hitler belong on the Left.

Actually there was a social democratic wing of the nazi party. They were purged in something called "Night of the Long Knives." Ever hear of that?

[#FF0000]

Oscar the Grouch pointed out one-- the national socialists can be argued to have been the first environmentalist government in office in Europe.

They were also big on military spending. Does that mean American Republicans are ideologically linked to Nazis?