i think theres a big chance their blaming the wrong party...

[Chief Rebel Angel]

i saw on the newspapers and news on tv that one of the suspects was dead since the early 90's... and the 2 saudi brothers in the suspects list were alive and r still alive and live in saudi arabia... interesting...

[DaNatural]

excellent point comrade, i think the usa, is just taking the easy route out of this. not really investigating. when ramzi yousef planned to blow up the trade centere in 93, he was allegedly operating as a iraqi agent, now at his trial and lead up to the trial, the government made no attempt to find out if his mission was backed by a state. now in this case they are rushing into this, saddam could have something to do with this but they are instead just going off their easiest leads. very interesting info rebel. peace

[Chief Rebel Angel]

come to think of it, isnt this exactly what israel wants? an attack on global "terrorism" will mean an attack on taliban first, then they'll move on to hizbullah lebenon, the islamic mujahidin (i forgot who, maybe hizbullah too) on the serian boarders with israel, since israel still occupies the julan.. then they'll move on to iraq and algeria... ok now, getting rid of saddam and the terrorists in algeria and afghanistan would be super.. but who the fuck will take charge of those countries then? yes, u got it, american puppets (like the exiled afghani shah)... america will be stronger than ever in the reageon...

the thing that would piss me off big time is if they manage to defeat hizbullah and other islamic militia in/around occupied palastine... isnt that what israel exactly wants?? those militias r the only thorns in israels back, with them gone, no one could stop them.. god help us....

so theres as big a chance that israel or some other zionist organization had planned this whole thing as there is that bin laden has planned it... just another way of looking at it...

[Drifter]

it might seem that everything starts when your building explodes or some duke gets shot, or a book about political economy, but governments have their own agendas which are not always obvious at the time,,

and america has always been an extremely militant nation,,

"We don't want to have to fight,
but by Jingo if we do
We've got the ships, we've got the men,
we've got the money too."

the media is also very biased and unreliable,, swinging with public opinion and pandering to the government at times
so who can you really trust?

[Guest]

Hey, I heard on the Sunday talk shows that Secretary of State Powell was really pushing to invade Iraq and remove Hussein. Anyone heard of this?

[Chief Rebel Angel]

i didnot personally... well removing sadam will be good if it will remove the sanctions... it bet even more iraqies will be killed... and who the hell assigned america as world police?

speaking of news, different friends of mine saw an article on some website, which has been shut down now (wonder why) that the jews working in the WTC were asked not to go to work on last tuesday... 4000 jews work in the WTC and it says none of them were affected by the bombings.. i dont know whether to believe it or not.. what do u think?

[Guest]

What the hell does that question mean?

[CPK]

Osama Bin Laden claimed he was innocent but congradulated the attackers
and lol my teacher thought i was was islamic and was giving me a hard time (brown skin)
but i told him off and claimed i wasn't

[gooddoctor]

there's some pretty spooky info on this thread, but now i come to think of it it all makes perfect sense; the only ones to benefit from these attacks in the long run are the israelis and the yanks. god knows what's going on.

[Jurhael]

"those militias r the only thorns in israels back, with them gone, no one could stop them.. god help us...."

Uh...I don't think Israel wants world conquest. Jewish people JUST WANT A HOMELAND. Why is that so wrong?

[CPK]

well jurhael, so do the muslims. the jews kinda took over the muslim land. it's a war that has been going on forever. some jewish people do have a homeland. it's called the united states of america.

[vox]

The Palestinian refugees, for to be a Palestinian means you're a refugee, might see it a little differently.

They have been repeatedly lied to by the Zionists. When the Israelis say that they won't continue to build new developments one week and then the next week are building more settlements, would you trust them?

The Israelis have a stranghold on the Palestinians, for so many Palestinians work in Israel. Good enough to work, but not good enough to be free, I guess. Did you see where Israel used tanks to bulldoze the homes of refugees?

I cannot side with the oppressor state over the homeless Palestinians.

vox

[Jurhael]

Hmm...can't say I blame you. I never said Israel was innocent though. heh

[Chancho]

For info on the Palestine question...

http://www.un.org/Depts/dpa/qpal/index.html

[gooddoctor]

this war's hardly been going on forever (although it does seem like it at times). israel didn't even exist before 1949 when it was just a twinkle in the persecuted zionist's eyes. the british legitamised the zionist mass invasion of the palestinian's land (think palestinians running out the backdoor with zionists knocking down the front door) by creating israel's borders wholly arbitrarily. we are to blame for this war and the us administration (under pressure from the jewish lobby) is to blame for the continuation of it. religion is hardly a legitimate claim to land - being human is.

(Edited by gooddoctor at 5:12 am on Sep. 19, 2001)

[espanola82]

i happen to believe that israel is a democratic free nation and that it does what any other would do. it does not terrorize palestinians by sending suicide bombers into night clubs and resturaunts, it only responds to attacks by terrorists and the likes. im sorry, but do you expect them to just move out of the way and let these fanatical muslims who are a bunch of oppressed degenrates take over the land that is theirs? what would you do? i understand anti-capitalistic sentiments on this website, but to condone the actions of palestinians and their butt buddies the taliban is completely ridiculous- or wait, maybe the killing of thousands last week is all a big conspiracy... your letting all your nonsense rot away your brain rebel.

[Chancho]

Whatever one's opinion of the conflict, how can anyone support a response that is disproportionate to any given attack? That goes for all parties.

Here's a thought - the State of Israel should reestablish itself in the US - at least common interests would be located appropriately.

[vox]

espanola82,

Are you suggesting that democratic nations can't carry out terrorism? There is as large section of the world that would disagree with you on that, and with very good reason.

"im sorry, but do you expect them to just move out of the way and let these fanatical muslims who are a bunch of oppressed degenrates take over the land that is theirs?"

That's exactly what the Zionists did, of course. Do you truly think that Israel has negotiated in good faith? They have lied so many times that no one could possibly believe a word they say anymore. Remember when they agreed to pull the settlements out of the West Bank? Guess what? They BUILT MORE. Remember when they bulldozed homes just a few months ago? Recall seeing the women and children in the news? Were they the "degenerates" of which you speak?

There's plenty of blame to go around in the Middle East, but you should realize that condemning Israeli state terrorism does not mean condoning Palestinian suicide attacks. The evidence is clear, however, that the state of Israel is an oppressive force. I cannot tolerate that.

On another note, you can cease with the anti-gay rhetoric, unless you meant "butt buddies" in a complimentary way, of course.

vox

[espanola82]

i cannot agree with you, but thats the beauty here, i can form whatever opinion i want. i cannot support ANY state that kills in the name their faith. im not saying i back israel on all the decisions they have made, of course i do not, in that respect you are correct of course, and you give good examples, you apparently know your stuff, and it is a very difficult subject, so i choose not to argue the rights and wrongs that have been struggles of both sides for so long. i admit, at times i generalize and dont articulate my thoughts accordingly, but my comment of the butt buddies was innocent of your accusation, i only used it because i recently learned that not only do the taliban murder their women legally for charges such as speaking to a male that is not a family member, showing a section of skin in public, getting medical attention from a male doctor, and many others including lying at any degree, but they also kill homosexuals who are discovered as well. and since i am an advocate of gay rights; that they have the right to marry, adopt, serve in the military, it was fairly inappropriate of me to use that comment. i apologize to any one i might have offended, and i did not mean it in a negative context.

[Drifter]

no its not,,
but not if it its at the expense of a palestinian one.

israel was created by the yanks and the poms, because they needed an ally in the middle east and to deal with the influx of jews after the second world war.
at least that is what i know,, i haven't bothered to do my homework on this one, so correct me if this is ill informed or just plain fuckin stupid.