"Solidarity" with Palestinians/Arabs/Muslim world

[Devrim]

Hell Ya the Quality is totally different what you get from Palestine will be thicker

I don't think so. You can by the thin type or the more expensive thicker ones here in Turkey, which are of course both locally made. It just depends how much you want to pay. The thin type will cost about $3 and the thicker one about $7.

It is not about quality though. The thin one is too protect you from the sun in the summer, and the thick one from the cold in the winter. The area of the country where they are most popular has a temperature range from -40 to +40 degrees C.

It is a functional difference not a quality one.

Devrim

[727Goon]

The capitalist in me says there'd be some serious motherfuckin money to be made off these well meaning white folks who are "down with the struggle". Perhaps turning the kaffiyeh into the new che shirt or an ironic halloween costume type thing for hipsters, or opening an Allah's Ak Bar and Grill franchise could be profitable.

[The Vegan Marxist]

or opening an Allah's Ak Bar and Grill franchise could be profitable.

Yeah, if you don't mind a bunch of tea-baggers protesting every damn day outside the bar & grill.

[t.shonku]

I express my solidarity with Palestine resistance and rest of the Arab world,I stand beside them.
The whole “war on terror thing” that US has created is just a smoke screen, the real motive is to steal Arab oil.And as communist it’s our duty to stop US’s “chess game” in Middle-East by hook or by crook.
Long Live Palestine.Long Live Arabia and Arabs.
You will see my Comrades soon after US withdraws from Afghanistan(US has already fled from Iraq),there will be Arab uprising everywhere.Soon Palestine will be free.

[The Douche]

I express my solidarity with Palestine resistance and rest of the Arab world,I stand beside them.
The whole “war on terror thing” that US has created is just a smoke screen, the real motive is to steal Arab oil.And as communist it’s our duty to stop US’s “chess game” in Middle-East by hook or by crook.
Long Live Palestine.Long Live Arabia and Arabs.
You will see my Comrades soon after US withdraws from Afghanistan(US has already fled from Iraq),there will be Arab uprising everywhere.Soon Palestine will be free.

lolwut

[Devrim]

Long Live Palestine.Long Live Arabia and Arabs.
You will see my Comrades soon after US withdraws from Afghanistan(US has already fled from Iraq),there will be Arab uprising everywhere.Soon Palestine will be free.

Please remember that Afghans are not Arabs, either ethnically, or linguistically.

Never mind what you suggest seems as much as a fantasy as US pre-war plans.

Devrim

[Devrim]

in europe a psc's sell kafiyehs at 5euro.all proceeds from kafiyurs and other goods go to palestine comunitys.so quality is irrelevent really.its not so abstract,comrade

I am not in solidarity with Palestinian nationalism.

Devrim

[NGNM85]

I am not in solidarity with Palestinian nationalism.

Devrim

Why not?

[freepalestine]

I am not in solidarity with ..nationalism. Devrim

ok.but who mentioned nationalism?how is supporting/solidarity for oppressedcommunitys/peoples,the same as supporting nationalism?

[DunyaGongrenKomRevolyutsi]

ok.but who mentioned nationalism?how is supporting/solidarity for oppressedcommunitys/peoples,the same as supporting nationalism?

Arafat as head of the nation sparked the take-up in the keffiyeh as a symbol of national resistance, so how exactly is it not tied up with nationalism and more importantly, how can you couple supporting a nation-state with not being nationalist? You are just manipulating the term to suit yourself. Irish republicans do exactly the same thing, its a common thinking among marxist-leninist leftism.

[freepalestine]

Arafat as head of the nation sparked the take-up in the keffiyeh as a symbol of national resistance, so how exactly is it not tied up with nationalism and more importantly, how can you couple supporting a nation-state with not being nationalist? You are just manipulating the term to suit yourself. Irish republicans do exactly the same thing, its a common thinking among marxist-leninist leftism.

lol,what kind of pathetic rant was that.also get your facts right.

[DunyaGongrenKomRevolyutsi]

lol,what kind of pathetic rant was that.also get your facts right.

Then correct me?

[The Douche]

Here we go again, ideology being more important than political reality.

Every single day Israeli soldiers kill palestinians and steal their homes and land. How in the fuck would life not be better under the palestinian bourgeoisie?

[gorillafuck]

Long Live Arabia and Arabs.

Arabia?

[Kiev Communard]

Actually the whole idea of Arab Nationalism seems extremely far-fetched, given the profound differences and regional variations between different Arab states/nations. The failure of such ideologies as Baathism and Nasserism and virtual collapse of Palestinian Nationalism, which as a mass ideology has been supplanted by al-Hamas Islamism, are further proofs to this.

[Devrim]

ok.but who mentioned nationalism?how is supporting/solidarity for oppressedcommunitys/peoples,the same as supporting nationalism?

Which organisations does the money collected by these solidarity campaigns go to. I am pretty certain, for example, that much of it collected in this country goes directly to HAMAS, or its front organisations, given the close links between many of the charities collecting money for 'Palestine' here and HAMAS. Now I am sure that HAMAS does a lot of good charity work, but I don't support its political agenda in anyway.

I am not in solidarity with Palestinian nationalism.

Why not?

Because I don't think that it has anything to offer the working class.

Here we go again, ideology being more important than political reality.

Every single day Israeli soldiers kill palestinians and steal their homes and land. How in the fuck would life not be better under the palestinian bourgeoisie?

Do you think that an 'independent Palestine' is even possible? I don't. If there is a Palestinian state in the foreseeable future, it will be one that preforms the police function for Israel, a sort of 'Bantustan'.

Devrim

[Barry Lyndon]

Arafat as head of the nation sparked the take-up in the keffiyeh as a symbol of national resistance, so how exactly is it not tied up with nationalism and more importantly, how can you couple supporting a nation-state with not being nationalist? You are just manipulating the term to suit yourself. Irish republicans do exactly the same thing, its a common thinking among marxist-leninist leftism.

Leftists should show solidarity with people who are fighting to throw off the shackles of imperialism, and the Israeli occupation is a classic colonial occupation. I know that left-communists don't give a shit about the victims of imperialism(just like how they think that anti-fascism is some big fucking joke), but there is a significant difference between the nationalism of a group attempting to be autonomous from colonial rule and an imperial power using nationalism to justify the exploitation and domination of others.

[DunyaGongrenKomRevolyutsi]

but there is a significant difference between the nationalism of a group attempting to be autonomous from colonial rule and an imperial power using nationalism to justify the exploitation and domination of others.

Yes there is anti-colonial rhetoric from Hamas, it is still nationalist (freepalestine argued it wasn't).

Leftists should show solidarity with people who are fighting to throw off the shackles of imperialism, and the Israeli occupation is a classic colonial occupation.

Leftists often show solidarity with national governments even when there aren't wars or occupations in progress. left-communists dont / shouldnt because it is inherent to the political tradition.

One good reason why you shouldnt support governments is because historically, a lot of countries that are now quite openly exploiting, Israel itself being one big example, had a lot of support from leftists for independence against the colonialists / imperialists. Some people on here even support China.

I know that left-communists don't give a shit about the victims of imperialism(just like how they think that anti-fascism is some big fucking joke)

This is essentially just overfuelled arguing.

[The Douche]

Do you think that an 'independent Palestine' is even possible? I don't. If there is a Palestinian state in the foreseeable future, it will be one that preforms the police function for Israel, a sort of 'Bantustan'.

I don't really think communism is very possible (certainly not in my lifetime, and I wouldn't be suprised if the ruling classes destroy this world before revolution succeeds) but that doesn't mean I don't support struggling for it.

I know for sure that an independent palestine is not possible if nobody supports the idea.

[Barry Lyndon]

a) Yes there is anti-colonial rhetoric from Hamas, it is still nationalist (freepalestine argued it wasn't).

b) Leftists often show solidarity with national governments even when there aren't wars or occupations in progress. left-communists dont / shouldnt because it is inherent to the political tradition.

c) One good reason why you shouldnt support governments is because historically, a lot of countries that are now quite openly exploiting, Israel itself being one big example, had a lot of support from leftists for independence against the colonialists / imperialists. Some people on here even support China.

a) I don't support Hamas. I'm much more into the PFLP.

b) Your changing the subject. I'm not talking about national movements once independence is achieved. I'm talking about anti-colonial struggles.

c) I'm not 'some people on here'.