Would you be willing to date a trans person?

[Quail]

I think there was a thread on this exact topic a few months ago, but possibly before Iseul joined the site.

I personally would have no problem dating either a pre or post op trans person of any gender.

[Kotze]

Sorry for the stupid joke and thanks for not negrepping me into oblivion.

Dating a post op trans person is the same as dating a natural born person of that sex.

No.

You are obviously very invested emotionally and want that to be true, but for some the technology isn't quite there yet, especially transitions long past puberty are hard to pull off convincingly if the transitioning person didn't already have an unusual physique for the sex s/he was born with. They are also infertile.

You sound like there is something inherently wrong with asking about people's dating preferences with respect to trans people.

I don't think there is something wrong with it, but I do think that it is unlikely that you get representative feedback if you ask the less open-minded to justify themselves.

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

I voted yes.

[leftace53]

Black, white, purple, trans, cis, two spirited, man, woman etc.. I really don't care, I'll probably date anyone human.

I feel we will get similar responses here as to TS' thread.

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

Exactly. I don't know what the purpose of these threads are if it isn't so Iseul can pick at people she thinks are transphobic. Most of us aren't, and if we are then we're not worth listening to anyway.

[Volcanicity]

If a woman is a woman and i find her attractive then yes.why do we keep having these sort of threads.We are all supposed to be on the same side.

[Thirsty Crow]

Yes, in both cases, prior to surgical operation and after the operation.

[Queercommie Girl]

Exactly. I don't know what the purpose of these threads are if it isn't so Iseul can pick at people she thinks are transphobic. Most of us aren't, and if we are then we're not worth listening to anyway.

I think I've already said I'm not "witch-hunting" here. But I'm quite new to this forum so I wouldn't know about any previous threads with the same kind of topic that have already been posted.

And in principle challenging transphobia, including transphobia within the socialist camp, isn't wrong at all anyway.

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

I think I've already said I'm not "witch-hunting" here. But I'm quite new to this forum so I wouldn't know about any previous threads with the same kind of topic that have already been posted.

And in principle challenging transphobia, including transphobia within the socialist camp, isn't wrong at all anyway.

It isn't wrong at all, there just seem to be many threads, with many polls, asking the same kind of questions.

I appreciate that this is an area of concern for you, but asking members of the revolutionary left countless questions about transgenderism is going to get you countless of the same answers.

[Queercommie Girl]

It isn't wrong at all, there just seem to be many threads, with many polls, asking the same kind of questions.

I appreciate that this is an area of concern for you, but asking members of the revolutionary left countless questions about transgenderism is going to get you countless of the same answers.

But a forum is by definition a "free space". No-one is forcing you to respond to any threads you don't want to respond to.

It is an area of concern because for one thing it is pretty stupid to assume that those on the left are automatically trans-friendly. I'm sure many here are, but in many other parts of the world, that is not really the case at all.

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

But a forum is by definition a "free space". No-one is forcing you to respond to any threads you don't want to respond to.

It is an area of concern because for one thing it is pretty stupid to assume that those on the left are automatically trans-friendly. I'm sure many here are, but in many other parts of the world, that is not really the case at all.

There's no need to insult me. All I said was that there are quite a few of these threads and they will attract the same kind of answer, the general consensus here is that we support transgenderded people in their battle against oppression, and finding out which members of the revolutionary left would or would not date a transgendered person is besides the point with regards to this issue.

[ZeroNowhere]

If one were concerned about that, it would probably make more sense to have a thread (I believe that there already exist a few) on people's opinions on transsexuality. Anyhow, I voted 'no', because I'm asexual.

[Queercommie Girl]

There's no need to insult me. All I said was that there are quite a few of these threads and they will attract the same kind of answer, the general consensus here is that we support transgenderded people in their battle against oppression, and finding out which members of the revolutionary left would or would not date a transgendered person is besides the point with regards to this issue.

I didn't say you are stupid, I said it would be stupid to adopt the naive view that the left in general or the revolutionary left in particular would automatically support trans rights.

I mean I work with Maoists from mainland China and I can't even tell them I'm queer. In China one might literally get kicked out of a socialist party simply because one is gay or trans, no matter how much good work one has done. In parts of the non-developed world it is the norm to expect socialists to be anti-LGBT rather than pro-LGBT. In China there are more capitalists who are pro-LGBT than socialists. In the Chinese political context LGBT activism is largely associated with right-wing liberal capitalism. The most vocal support of LGBT rights in mainland China at the moment, Ms Li Yinhe, is an explicit right-winger economically and politically, and a staunch supporter of the United States.

[Volcanicity]

As far as im concerned if you get kicked out of a socialist party for being gay or transgender then it is not a socialist party.Maybe im naive,but i dont think so.

[Queercommie Girl]

As far as im concerned if you get kicked out of a socialist party for being gay or transgender then it is not a socialist party.Maybe im naive,but i dont think so.

You've never worked with socialists from mainland China, have you?

Not all socialists are like the socialists in the West.

[Volcanicity]

You've never worked with socialists from mainland China, have you?

Not all socialists are like the socialists in the West.

I can only speak from where i am,but for me what i said still stands.

[gorillafuck]

I potentially would (for a woman who is post-op, I would not want to date a pre-op woman who has male genitalia), yes. But this is so redundant, it's almost a replica of Thomas's thread.

[Queercommie Girl]

I can only speak from where i am,but for me what i said still stands.

Objectively strictly speaking one can't actually say that a socialist political party is "not genuine socialist" just because it's homophobic or transphobic, if the said party actually does act like a genuine socialist political force with respect to other kinds of matters, like working class activism.

Obviously the party would be in the wrong, but it's not sufficient to beat it down completely with only this kind of criticism.

[Queercommie Girl]

I potentially would, yes. But this is so redundant, it's almost a replica of Thomas's thread.

Why do people think the two threads are the same if they blatantly ask literally different questions?

[Volcanicity]

Im not trying to beat anything down.I see im wasting my time with this thread so i am gone.