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Good points there, but I would hasten to add that 'neo-nazism' doesnt usually exist on any large scale in Europe either, I mean sure you have some politicians who sympathise with mussolini and are anti-semitic but they are just as bad as their other right wing counterparts in most cases. I wasnt necessarily saying Turkey has a lot of neo-nazis but that, by any other name, they are probably anti semitic and right wing, just like a lot of other politicians who also arent nazis. The difference in most European countries is just that you swap semitic with islamic.
Have some mongolian communism (yes, I know Tuva is part of Russia, but still) to balance out your diet.
On the bickerings over race:
Have some science to balance out your diet.
Have some filthy shitbags to balance out your diet.Originally Posted by Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza
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The longer a drought lasts the more likely it is to continue.
Nearly everyone on this board, myself included, are critical of the Chinese state. That's not the problem.
The problem is your willingness to defend even Nazis and Lamaist, coupled with your tendency to make up "facts" out of thin air.
O RLY?
They are neo-Nazis, pure and simple. Stop defending them.
And don't come up with any more stupid ignorant crap about how "there are no Vietnamese in Mongolia".
Do not say that we have nothing,
We shall be masters of all under heaven!
Mongolian have history book too you know.
WHY kléber, WHY!!!!!!!
For curiosity's sake, what is the name of this brand of Turkish fascism?
... To live – does it not mean to have indomitable faith in victory?
I believe Devrim is referring to the MHP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalist_Movement_Party). It was at its most dangerous as a CIA-backed counter-revolutionary militia during the 1970s, waging all-out war against the Turkish labour movement.
By 'Neo-Nazi' I mean the people running around with Swastikas and wearing funny clothes. I wouldn't say that the BNP in the UK today is 'Neo-Nazi' for example.
Devrim
My mistake, and apologies for my ignorance. I thought Dravidians referred to Northern Indians, esp. from the Punjab region and . I won't make that mistake again.
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Devrim
yeah, you still haven't shown me where I defended neo-nazi behavior. you have yet to (and never will) do that.
He was talking about how you denied they were actually neo-nazis and were instead just anti-PRC nationalists. The regalia they sport is telling though.
You can be rabid nationalist, or even a fascist, and not be a neo-nazi. But when you start actually mimicking nazi dress, etc, you become a very specific sub-type of fascist/ultra-nationalist, you become a neo-nazi.
... To live – does it not mean to have indomitable faith in victory?
But isn't that just playing dress up? like, Rastafarians who have dreadlocks and smoke weed, but don't know the scripture behind it?
And me personally, I feel uncomfortable calling anyone who isn't a "Nordic European" a neo-nazi, mainly because a key tenet of nazi faith was that the nordic Europeans were superior to other races.
They seem to be racist national socialists, but not "Nazi" in the traditional sense.
Yes that is right, also your point about the media hyping up neo nazism could be applicable to mongolia too (they are only showing one group,you could make nazis in this country look "big and menacing" if you showed enough pictures of the same group and said "oh look they are big and menacing".
Yeah, they play dress-ups, shave women's heads for sleeping with foreigners, and murder their daughter's boyfriend for being unpatriotic.
What's the big deal?
Jesus fucking Christ!
Do not say that we have nothing,
We shall be masters of all under heaven!
I said they were racial supremacists and bigoted. but not "nazis". there is a difference, but I don't see what significance it makes calling them a nazi.
by definition they can't be Nazi, just like Russians can't be nazi (even though they do it anyways) and just like blacks can't be KKK.
But I guess you're going to accuse me of defending them because I don't like abusing these terms lightly. They're racist, yes, they're bigoted, yes. but not nazis.
And you assume they don't know anything about the ideology they speak of why?
Oh yea, it's because they're mongolians who've never heard of the holocaust or or any other such historical facts that we westerners are privy to.
... To live – does it not mean to have indomitable faith in victory?
No, I never assumed that. It's just that Mongolians don't share the holocaust as a collective experience the way those in the West do.And you assume they don't know anything about the ideology they speak of why?
Oh yea, it's because they're mongolians who've never heard of the holocaust or or any other such historical facts that we westerners are privy to.
I don't know, if you call yourself a nazi/neo-nazi and wear a swastika, I'll believe you. Ideologies can be adapted and slightly changed while still preserving their basic nature. Original Nazism was based on nordic europeans, but that doesn't mean that all the other tenets and attitudes about race couldn't translate to another fit another situation.
There's a reason they're called neo-nazis, not nazis. Neo-Nazis take inspiration from and trace their roots to original nazis, but nowhere are they the same thing as the originals. I'm pretty sure that Hitler would look down his nose at Neo-Nazis today whether they be from the american heartland, serbia, or mongolia. You're splitting hairs here and it's getting really annoying.
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I'd also like to add that you've never once in your life been part of the "collective experience" of being in the holocaust, and neither have I. All we know about it today, by and large, is what the history books tell us about. You didn't experience it any more than a mongolian has, and you both basically have the exact same sources to go by. Ok, maybe you've talked to an elderly person who had been through the holocaust, once or twice. Big whoop, still nothing close to some kind of "authentic" understanding that we westerners somehow have simply by being western.
Last edited by Blackscare; 6th August 2010 at 21:35.
... To live – does it not mean to have indomitable faith in victory?
I phrased that wrong. I meant "know what it is" in the terms of what it means to Westerners and Europeans.
