Revolutionaries believing in Karma? Good luck with that.
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Revolutionaries believing in Karma? Good luck with that.
It is the karma of the revolutionaries to believe in karma.Revolutionaries believing in Karma? Good luck with that.
In the Buddhist understanding of karma, it is nothing more then causality, and any given event has a number of causes, but the Buddhists extrapolate causality from the physical realm to the metaphysical realm.
Further, Buddhism denies the existence of any sort of permanent unchanging entity that stands behind experience such as a spirit, soul or atman.
The empirical self is nothing but a concatenation of tendencies that come into existence moment by moment, abide in a moment, die and are reborn (not reincarnated), with the previous existence conditioning the next one and thus giving the illusion of a single continuous existence. This is extended into the metaphysical realm with the hypothesis that an individual mind stream persists after death and meets with other causes and conditions to form a new being.
Needless to say, this is at odds with New Age versions of karma, Hindu versions and other popular understanding such as ones expressed in this thread where karma is given a heavy ethical interpretation.
One version of karma that hasn't been discussed yet is the Jain version, where karma is conceived in material terms as a fine dust that enters the body through the pores of the skin and collects around the bija or seed that's supposed to be liberated at death. Weighted down by karma the bija reincarnates.
Reminds me of Foucault/post-structural/post-modern theory and how the subject is created and understood through the intersecting of discourses
Indeed, it's difficult to separate the various interpretations of karma as in the West they seem to be interchanged
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We've got the guillotine...
That's the thing though, karma isn't "good" or "bad", Karma simply is the illusory state (maya) and a complete lack of karma is the liberated state (Nirvana or Moksha, depending on your beliefs).
I, Emperor Nero Caesar, hereby is delcaring the imperial decree that I've permbanned Mahatma Gandhi for wasting bandwidth...
How is karma eliminated or rid of then?
We've got your war!
We're at the gates!
We're at your door!
We've got the guillotine...
In the Buddhist scheme, the production of new karma ends when an individual becomes enlightened, and the karma accumulated prior to that eventually wears out.
Of course, in the material world causality never ends but somehow it stops at least on the metaphysical level with the onset of enlightenment. I don't think we'll get a rational explanation since it's not a rational hypothesis. I don't say this to insult anyone who subscribes to a belief in karma, but it seems to me more a question of faith than logic.
by realizing the nature of all karma; Adi Shankara says this is similar how one fears a rope in the dark, believing it to be a snake, but once they realize the rope is just a rope, not a snake, all fear dissipates.
karma and ignorance is very similar in Shankaran thought.
I kinda believe in Karma.
I used to laugh at poor people.
I used to laugh at people who had to take the bus.
When I was still living with my mom when I was younger we eventually became poor.
And now I'm on my own and ride the bus to work.
Coincidence? IDK.
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karma dosnt exist, any simple history book will show you that doing good dosnt mean succes, and doing bad dosnt mean failure.
take gengis khan, one of the most ferocious tyran the world had endured, he ordered the rape and pillage of thousand of villages, and he died peacefully, being burried with ton of treasures and presents.
Franco, the spanish dictator, ogusto pinochet,chilean dictator, they both lived and died of natural causes, being able to fully fufill their aspirations and realize their evil deeds undisturbed.
on the other side of the coin, many good men where killed or lived sad lives despite their tremendous efforts to do good; spartacus was crucified, most of the jewish who organized uprising in the guetto where lined against the wall and shot, i seen multiples people who where good but got nothing but shit in life.
Karma dosnt exist.
WHY kléber, WHY!!!!!!!
You don't understand karma at all. if you read some of the Lotus sutra, you'd realize that it's impossible for human beings to guess what karma is negative or good since it'd be too subjective, and even so, one can only know what is good for eliminating karma, but not for what creates negative karma.
even if that witchcraft was real, why should i make efforts to eliminate my karma if there is no way to determine if the bad luck that i experience is linked to my karma at all?
and beside, experiences have been made in the past on people who claimed to be able to sense the karma of other peoples, the experiences showed the usual 50% margin of error, wich mean those people had perhaps the same chances of detecting other people karma by guessing.
WHY kléber, WHY!!!!!!!
you know this argument has fallacies, correct? just because some claim to be able to predict karma, does not mean all believe that one can predict karma.
well if there is no way to determine that our children will grow to be 75, successful, and happy...why have children at all? hell, if we know that we could get hit by a bus tomorrow, why get out of bed and eat?
even so, many don't believe that karma accumulated in this life is expended in the same lifetime. many believe that you try to accumulate for the next one, so that one may have a positive birth in the next. this is not what I personally believe, but it's a belief that stands irregardless.
Genghis Khan was actually quite good. Its a myth that he built pyramids out of skulls or ordered mass torture and mass rape sessions. The only social group which he massacred in conquered nations were generally the nobility, while he allowed commoners who gave up peacefully to live on.
Genghis is sadly often confused with Tamerlane, who killed about 20 million people in Central Asia in the 14th century.
Indeed, I've heard something along the lines of a woman being able to walk from Spain to Mongolia without fear of molestation under Genghis' rule.
As for karma, I think it's a better idea to teach people not to be dicks than it is to make reference to some kind of cosmic scoreboard.
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but if you cant see or predict it, what evidence do you have to believe in it?
that a completly irrelevant exemple, children exist, karma dosnt.
then again, what are the real evidences that karma is real.
WHY kléber, WHY!!!!!!!
[QUOTE=Thomas_Sankara;1851264]...just because some claim to be able to predict karma, does not mean all believe that one can predict karma.../QUOTE]
If karma is taken in its Buddhist meaning as causality, then some simple behaviors can be predicted in the physical realm with a degree of certainty.
For example, it's the karma of water to boil when its temperature reaches 100 degrees Celsius or 212 degrees Fahrenheit under standard conditions at sea level (at one atmosphere of pressure) when exposed to heat. Here in a nutshell are all the causes and conditions necessary to give rise to this simple empirical phenomenon.
And this is how karma operates according to Buddhist understanding. When it comes to human behavior, there are so many variables involved that karma does indeed become hard to predict over a long period of time. We can say that it's the karma of human flesh to scald when placed in boiling water but we can't account for all the causes and conditions that led to the scalding.
There are very different views of karma, depending on the tradition. Some are very mystical, while others are very practical. I grew up with very practical Zen, where karma is simply the recognition that the conditions of a moment are the result of the conditions of previous moments. It certainly doesn't mean that the actions of an individual will directly return in kind to them. In the realm of human behavior, it's understood that the effect of one's actions spread out like ripples in a pond.
Someone posted a link recently showing research that supports this view.
Why? The revolution in itself would be a huge act of good karma. The revolution would also be a result of the bad karma gathered for centuries by the bourgeois and capitalists.Revolutionaries believing in Karma? Good luck with that.
