While my parents would still be considered "proletariat" under a Marxist class structure, I am from an "Upper-middle class" family in terms of income.
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Are there rich communist/socialist. PLUS my stereotypes.
I have notice male made up of most of the anarchists, communists, and socialists.
Also majority are the low-class and minorities...
Is it the mostly witnesses and victims of inequality would stand up and struggles?
Any anarchists, communists, and socialists from upper-class family over here?
While my parents would still be considered "proletariat" under a Marxist class structure, I am from an "Upper-middle class" family in terms of income.
We've got your war!
We're at the gates!
We're at your door!
We've got the guillotine...
I read somewhere that Marx was a capitalist.
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That was Engels...
Although Marx was from a well-off family and studied enough to possibly be a lawyer; instead he ended up being a journalist for a newspaper and later on organizing/writing the theories that later became called "Marxism."
Having ability to own a property but not wanting to own might not be what Marx would expected...
I heard of Engels is somewhat of a capitalist instead of Marx. Engels I think he or his family invest in some kind of farm where he witness in labor exploitation.
His father owned a factory in Manchester. It was partly due to this experience that led Engels to write the book "Conditions of the English Working Class."
My family would be considered "Upper Middle Class", so I guess so.
Team N word.
I wonder if I start my own private business does it make me hypocrite to call myself a socialist?
perhaps.
Not exactly, but it would be against your self-interest in some aspects...
It'll be odd.
My dads a doctor, so I'm upper middle class, BUT we are muslim, so that planted the seed for my radicalism. Plus, my dad doesn't seem to mind, I think he hates the system too. My mom was livid though, shoe thought I would get arrested and sent to Guantanamo.
"The intellectual forces of the workers and peasants are growing and getting stronger in their fight to overthrow the bourgeoisie and their accomplices, the educated classes, the lackeys of capital, who consider themselves the brains of the nation. In fact they are not its brains but its shit."
—Lenin
"I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy."
—Albert Einstein
No. But perhaps if you hire workers and give them a fixed wage to extract surplus value from.
If you start a franchised business, then yes, you would be a hypocrite.
"The intellectual forces of the workers and peasants are growing and getting stronger in their fight to overthrow the bourgeoisie and their accomplices, the educated classes, the lackeys of capital, who consider themselves the brains of the nation. In fact they are not its brains but its shit."
—Lenin
"I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy."
—Albert Einstein
No, I dont think so. But on the condition that you try to help the left with it...
I mean that communists are in a difficult position, we dont really have any
wealthy sponsors to aid our campaigns, which would really help counter the
capitalist propaganda, but on the other side would we still have the credibility
of the people should we start accepting money from (socialist) sponsors?
If I should own a company i would be glad to hand it over in case if revolution, i
think i would even try to teach the workers some class consciousness
(which would be a really odd situation now that i think about it)
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Anyone can align themselves with any ideology - although it may not be in their class interests. The working class voting for capitalist parties is a good example. But it is much rarer to see a member of the ruling class call themselves a socialist (with the exception of "democratic socialists" - i.e., reformists).
It is rare but do-able I believe, in school my history teacher (who was marxist)
did tell us that in the 1800 there were -some- factory owners that took care of
his workers and invested a large part of his income in housing, sanitation, food, ...
so I dont think its impossible but as you said, it is rare...
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Those capitalists were not socialists, rather the label "social democrats" would have fitted them better. An modern example of a member of the bourgeoisie adopting socialist principles would have been the American capitalist who gave his company to his workers (or did something similar, I can't be arsed reading the article again).
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...daygift18.html
Just as some slave owners took good care of their slaves; Oscar Wilde said such slave owners were the very worst.
Yes, some factory owners 'took care' of their workers, and such a strategy was probably useful in pacifying them. The point is, we as socialists don't want factory owners to treat 'their' workers nicely, we want the notion of 'factory owners' to cease to exist.
Until now, the left has only managed capital in various ways; the point, however, is to destroy it.
Robert Owen - utopian socialist -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Owen
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/IRowen.htm
I suppose the wealthiest on the far left would be actors or musicians. One that comes to mind is Vanessa Redgrave who was a member of Healy's WRP who then founded the Marxist Party and subsequently the Peace and Progress Party.
you guys are right, but i never meant to say that this should be the way to go,
i just wanted to say that there are those of the ruling class that care about the workers,
but as aufkleben said, this would have probably been used mostly to pacify them...
what do you mean with "they are the worst"? Because they also pacify their slaves by
doing this?
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