Interesting the whole story telling that went with the whole casual scene has been passed into politics. If you've ever read any books on Ultras and Hooligans this sort of thing is prevalent throughout the culture.
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The situation is getting dire
http://s1.zetaboards.com/EDL_The_For...3541077/1/#new
With fash turning up at our meetings it will not be long before they try and drive us underground.
We need to fight back.
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Interesting the whole story telling that went with the whole casual scene has been passed into politics. If you've ever read any books on Ultras and Hooligans this sort of thing is prevalent throughout the culture.
I've noticed that. I go to football games myself and it's incredibly how similar it is; "Phwoar we had two thousand fuckers in Newcastle and they only had 900" "The EDL lads are brave patriot lads while they're hippie cowards". It's so similar to the 'Our firm is bigger than yours' bollocks you get at the football games.
People seem to not be comprehending how dangerous the situation we're in is. They now have thousand of thugs who hate Islam and lefties. They have attacked George Galloway speaking and are now turning up at our meets. How long will it be before they are attacking leftists?!
I cannot stress how important it is to have some sort of unity amongst ourselves because it's getting dangerous. Watch this space- these posts will be on the EDL forum in a few hours- remember to keep any ideas restricted to PMs.
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I haven't spoken to any of the yorkshire lads and lasses I know, but it would be interesting to see an account from some of them... to see what really happened. EDL seem to have a very good knack for story telling. Funny how they fail to mention when they get a kickin (such as in Reading or Bristol, etc).
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Indeed. That's "casual culture" for you- it's all about telling everyone how hard you are and how big your dick is.
It's time to get organised!
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you shouldn't be planing stuff on a public forum however you do it.
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Any proper organising is done by other mediums, but there's no harm in running through different ideas and rallying numbers on here I wouldn't have thought.
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This is a very dangerous thing; this must be brought to the attention of the right people. tell them any details you know. smash the fash.
Indeed.
It be great for people within AFed or Antifa England to come out with their side of events asap.
http://s1.zetaboards.com/EDL_The_For...3541077/1/#new
Apparently it's democratic to turn up at people's private meetings and ram your views down their throats. tit.
The sad thing is at the moment unless we start mobilisation we can't defend ourselves.
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Also it's interesting there's 11 guests viewing this. All you EDL titheads.
How about you fuck off back to your forum. If you want to debate something then sign up and message me but ogling at this isn't going to do much for you.
If you restrict conversation to PMs then you'll have no bother.
Last edited by durhamleft; 3rd July 2010 at 23:50.
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Alright bollock chops, I'm here and signed in. Are your lot up for discussion or are they just going to delete my profile? If I'm deleted then don't complain about the lack of discussion. Meep, meep.
We'll talk by PM and if you want to copy them onto the edl site you can do. ok?
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No, I don't want to talk by PM, if the revleft admin don't allow free speech then fine. Come talk on the EDL forum where we do allow free speech. Meep, meep.
What is it? You said on the EDL you wanted me to PM you then say you want it on here? Free speech is allowed but not if you talk bollocks which I forsee this conversation developing too, and I have about 6 EDL accounts, but i don't want to give my IP away as who I am.
Right I prepared PM to send you then thought it would be a bad idea to do so. Here it is:
Let me express my views to you on the EDL, I do not think you are 'fascist', or 'nazi', and the reality of the situation is many of your members aren't racist, quite a few are, but clearly not all of them. Unite against fascism are your best friends in reality- who takes seriously a group who shout Nazi scum at blacks, Jews and homosexuals?
My issue with the English Defence League are two fold. The first is that I fear it has the capacity to take nationalism and use it to whip up fear (much like UAF do may I add). What I mean by this is you started as anti-extremist Islam, yet it appears to me like your path has changed to being more anti-'Islamification' hence the 'no more mosques' etc. posters. That I disagree with, and I just worry it won't be long before your members start attacking mosques or such things, as it appears to me like your group has harnessed a real militant hatred to Islam, that is irrational and growing. Also I would add, I am as anti-extremist Islam as you are, and to me Unite against fascism are in bed with some of the Islamic groups and that is only a bad thing.
My other objection to the EDL is that I feel they divide communities. We've seen poor lads get stabbed by some Asian lads because they were EDL, and I'd be amazed if there haven't been attacks from EDL the other way round (just look at the thugs running at the Dudley demo who smashed down the fences and looked for a confrontation). I fear that Bradford may cause a race riot, and the bigger picture is that people will get killed because of these escalating racial tensions, and you can say what you wish about being none racist, whether the EDL are or are not is irrelevant, the strong anti-islamic message you give out is isolating a community in the UK.
The sad thing about this whole situation we live in is that I can't help but to feel the government have caused a lot of these tensions. Detaining people for 40 days with no charges, wars in Arab countries, stop and searching using terror laws, saying you can't film police in case it aids terrorism blah blah blah- no wonder people are so scared.
I hope you appreciate that myself and the people I act with are not rampant UAF hippies, but we are interested in keeping communities together, which we fear are being challenged by the EDL and by extreme Islam. We do intend on developing a more militant force, but you can be rest assured that we are not so stupid that we would attack an EDL march, as we know a large number of people in them are the disenfranchised working class. We want to be in cities where the EDL march to talk to locals, and help them feel less racially hostile. We would only ever become militant in the violent sense of the word if people start to attack others (like has been seen in Luton).
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You may be getting me confused with someone else on the EDL forum, I didn't ask you to communicate by PM. I'll go into detail more about your post tomorrow (it's getting late for me). But do you understand Islam, have you read the Qur'an, do you realise that Islam is a total belief system, not a religion and do you see the problems in other European countries where the Muslim population is higher than it is here?
I'm not in bed with Islam like the UAF, and of course I know Islam has it's issues. However the way I see your people quoting all this bollocks from the Qur'an, yeah it's a load of homophobic and murderous shite, but the Bible has similarly offensive stuff, and is interpreted by some Christians in that form. I know damn well there are a hell of a lot of Muslims who are just as against extremist Islam as you are, and who are very tolerant people, much like there are many Christians are.
It's concerning how quickly the EDL jumped from "extremist Islam" to "Islamification"- what the fuck does that mean may I add? all 4% of them? If Muslims against crusaders had ANY popular support they would get more than 40 people don't you think?
and besides, my fundamental point would be this, even if I'm wrong, and Islam is taking over the UK etc etc etc. Is the best way to fight it getting mortal and having a sing song?
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What's the point in bringing the fascist scum here?
No one gives a fuck about the Qur'an you idiot, its the least of our worries (I don't necessarily agree with Islam, or any religion, but its at the bottom of our list of problems). The sooner you knuckle-headed bigots get that out your heads, the better.
You can dress it however you want, but all you EDL people are is a bunch of xenophobic hooligans, looking for a fight and taking it out on Islam. Islam is just another religion, they're all as bad as each other when an extremist context is established, but dividing society due to your uneasy feelings towards Muslims? You lot are scum!
You're just as bad as the Islamic fundamentalists, or the right-wing Christian nutters; I'd rather swap the EDL for an equal amount of Muslim workers any day.
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http://whitechapelanarchistgroup.wordpress.com/ I think there's a lot of sense there about the EDL.
There are some of them who are fascists who it would be nice to remove from society quite frankly, but there are also people in them who are scared and fearful, have been made unemployed etc. and feel they have nowhere to turn to so blame Islam.
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That is true and I appreciate it, but debating with them is useless here. This is no different from them infiltrating anti-fascist meetings!
The chances are in heavy favour that this guy isn't simply a disillusioned worker, but a serious EDL member (if there is such a thing) who wishes to preach his hate. Even on revleft of all places!
The situation is getting dire; it is time to oppose the EDL by all means necessary, even on the internet.
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