Ok fine, if that's your beef: you're a close-minded bigot. It's simply a matter of semantics.
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Firstly I havnt mentioned class. I mentioned Idioligy and both Islamism and Capitalism are exactly that. ''Race is biologically determined'' Yes your right and would you say Islamism is biologically determined? Im not against Muslims (I cant believe i have to keep going over this) just extremists...
Ok fine, if that's your beef: you're a close-minded bigot. It's simply a matter of semantics.
Both for the production on a mass scale of this communist consciousness, and for the success of the cause itself, the alteration of men on a mass scale is, necessary, an alteration which can only take place in a practical movement, a revolution; this revolution is necessary, therefore, not only because the ruling class cannot be overthrown in any other way, but also because the class overthrowing it can only in a revolution succeed in ridding itself of all the muck of ages and become fitted to found society anew
Can people please be a bit more gentle? He's only come here to ask some questions and everyone is jumping on him and accusing him of being things he isn't. All we are gonna do is make him assume that anyone on the left will never talk to him as an equal, but as though they are better than him. Don't attack him, reason with him and put your points across fairly. Attacking someone who come in peace is only gonna strength there resolve against you.
There's an inner thing in every man,
Do you know this thing my friend?
It has withstood the blows of a million years,
And will do so to the end...
...It is 'the undauntable thought', my friend,
That thought that says 'I'm right!
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The mind is its own place, and in itself Can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven. What matter where, if I be still the same, And what I should be, all but less than he Whom thunder hath made greater?
Here at least We shall be free
1 as I know. There more than welcome and even encouraged. If we turned them of the busses or excluded them from demos I think you may have a leg to stand on. Sorry but we welcome them so you dont...
Yes, I can't believe I keep on having to go over this. It's the whole reason why you're a bigot, racist, or whatever you want to call it. Of the minority of Muslims in Britain (1.6 million, roughly) how many of them do you think are "extremists" and want to implement worldwide Sharia law? 1.6 million? Think again; it's probably about 16.
Both for the production on a mass scale of this communist consciousness, and for the success of the cause itself, the alteration of men on a mass scale is, necessary, an alteration which can only take place in a practical movement, a revolution; this revolution is necessary, therefore, not only because the ruling class cannot be overthrown in any other way, but also because the class overthrowing it can only in a revolution succeed in ridding itself of all the muck of ages and become fitted to found society anew
Thats me buggered then...
Sorry, to you and to EDL in peace, it's late at night and I'm grumpy. I'll try and be more polite.
Both for the production on a mass scale of this communist consciousness, and for the success of the cause itself, the alteration of men on a mass scale is, necessary, an alteration which can only take place in a practical movement, a revolution; this revolution is necessary, therefore, not only because the ruling class cannot be overthrown in any other way, but also because the class overthrowing it can only in a revolution succeed in ridding itself of all the muck of ages and become fitted to found society anew
When bigotry comes to visit we dont put the kettle on and ask it how many sugars it wants.
We want EDL supporters to come here and question why we don't like the organisation and show them that if they wanna change their country there is another way. I don't think anyone on here agrees with islamic fundermentalisim or any religion at all. But we can't just jump on someone. We have to explain the alternatives.
There's an inner thing in every man,
Do you know this thing my friend?
It has withstood the blows of a million years,
And will do so to the end...
...It is 'the undauntable thought', my friend,
That thought that says 'I'm right!
Your wrong. The govenment figure for 2001 was set at about 3 million'ish. ''Four out of 10 British Muslims want sharia law introduced into parts of the country, a survey reveals today.'' source: the teligraph but I cant seem to able to post the link- You might just have to take my word for it or find it yourself
Sorry but I see that as radical...
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Iv come for debate. Its good to see others are more willing to listen then others...
So.. as an irish republican if someone from a strong loyalist background wanted to genuinely debate with you would you just shout him down?
There's an inner thing in every man,
Do you know this thing my friend?
It has withstood the blows of a million years,
And will do so to the end...
...It is 'the undauntable thought', my friend,
That thought that says 'I'm right!
No actually: I got my statistics from the 2001 census here: http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=954 which puts it at 1.6 million. At any rate, 3 million is still a tiny portion. I would like to see a statistic on how many Christians want homophobic laws put into legislation.
Both for the production on a mass scale of this communist consciousness, and for the success of the cause itself, the alteration of men on a mass scale is, necessary, an alteration which can only take place in a practical movement, a revolution; this revolution is necessary, therefore, not only because the ruling class cannot be overthrown in any other way, but also because the class overthrowing it can only in a revolution succeed in ridding itself of all the muck of ages and become fitted to found society anew
This is dead wrong
"Islamic Fundamentalism" or "political Islam" has only existed since about the 1950's. Of course, there were always fundamentalists, but before the 50's they were basically a small pack of psychotics that no one paid any attention to.
"Islamism" came to prominence after countries like the U.S. began to get heavily involved in the affairs of Middle Eastern countries. And by that I mean "intentionally destabilizing Middle Eastern countries and giving a lot of material support to theocratic lunatics".
Anyway the thing is the EDL seems to think that "Islamism" is an actual threat (which is ludicrous), and thanks to their dumb fear of imaginary monsters, immigrants to Britain are singled out and targeted, whether it's intentional or whether you realize it or not.
I'm on some sickle-hammer shit
Collective Bruce Banner shit
FKA: #FF0000, AKA Mistake Not My Current State Of Joshing Gentle Peevishness For The Awesome And Terrible Majesty Of The Towering Seas Of Ire That Are Themselves The Milquetoast Shallows Fringing My Vast Oceans Of Wrath
It is not wrong to oppose it. The problem is that you wouldn't oppose it that much if the muslims were predominantly white. Then they would just be seen as a weird christian-like cult. The scary thing about "those pesky muslims" for a lot of people is that they look differently. But nowadays, its not allowed to dislike people openly for looking different, so culture is a convenient scapegoat.
Islamism is a quite small current amongst the muslims in Britain, though it has gone inflated recently due to racism.
Can you reply to the private message I sent you?
There's an inner thing in every man,
Do you know this thing my friend?
It has withstood the blows of a million years,
And will do so to the end...
...It is 'the undauntable thought', my friend,
That thought that says 'I'm right!
I also have to correct both you and Lyev. Race is socially determined, based on a set of arbitrary physical characteristics. People may have different skin colors, face-shapes, and that kind of thing, but the distinction between white people and black people as different "races" of people is completely arbitrary.
I'm on some sickle-hammer shit
Collective Bruce Banner shit
FKA: #FF0000, AKA Mistake Not My Current State Of Joshing Gentle Peevishness For The Awesome And Terrible Majesty Of The Towering Seas Of Ire That Are Themselves The Milquetoast Shallows Fringing My Vast Oceans Of Wrath
Yes, I see. Do you mean that there's certain stereotypes that society thinks people of a certain colour should have to fit into? I just wanted to make the Marxist view very clear; class is not the same as race or sex. We're not "racist" to the bourgeoisie or some stupid bollocks like that.
Both for the production on a mass scale of this communist consciousness, and for the success of the cause itself, the alteration of men on a mass scale is, necessary, an alteration which can only take place in a practical movement, a revolution; this revolution is necessary, therefore, not only because the ruling class cannot be overthrown in any other way, but also because the class overthrowing it can only in a revolution succeed in ridding itself of all the muck of ages and become fitted to found society anew
revleft has a no platform for fascists policy.
Last time i checked, the consensus was that the EDL is a fascist group.
