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    (emphasis mine) I SAID EUROPE. EUROPE, OK? CAN YOU READ? Read what I said again, and please give me some substantial evidence as to why Islam poses a bigger threat than any other organised religion.

    The statistics and facts just simply don't add up in favour for your out-dated and bigoted beliefs. You received charges because your organisation is full of fascist, hate-inciting scum and because you are racist (or just deeply mislead) not because we've all suddenly gone "PC mad" or some shit like that.
    Woah, calm down. Im on my Iphone so i cant give links but 9/11, 7/7, 21/7? what about the hate Choudary and his crew are allowed to spout? the IFE and other Islamofascist organisations? Muslim gang attacks. Honour killings?. The Luton protest against soldiers. Unregulated mosqes and Islamic centers. Radical preachers. Al-queder and mujuhadeen informants allowed asylem in the UK? Dont you think this should be countered? Dont call me racist, you dont know me. Iv come for a debate not childish name calling.
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    Hiya. First, abit about myself. Im a 17 yo EDL supporter from Derbyshire. Im not a skinhead, or a football hooligan (although a Chesterfield FC fan) and i detest the BNP.
    But youre a member of a reactionary borderline fascist group, so you will probably be restricted or banned. Likely (and hopefully) the latter. Definitely if the site owner has a say.

    In fact im quite normal tbh. After reading your topics on the EDL I see mixed feeling about us. Although im not into the whole 'socialist' and 'anti-fascism' business (although I really dislike fascism) i wondered if I could ask your opinion on us, our aims and miltant islam? Most of you seem level-headed so im looking forward to a sensible debate...
    Ive already posted my 2 cents on the EDL in an older thread.

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    I think many people enjoy the casual/''never back down'' image. I think that has been key to the EDLs successful numbers.
    the knuckledragging no surrender image you mean you just have to look over the water to see what your great free protestant country is doing in ireland you are nothing but a racist bigot

    hope to see you soon
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    Woah, calm down. Im on my Iphone so i cant give links but 9/11, 7/7, 21/7? what about the hate Choudary and his crew are allowed to spout? the IFE and other Islamofascist organisations? Muslim gang attacks. Honour killings?. The Luton protest against soldiers. Unregulated mosqes and Islamic centers. Radical preachers. Al-queder and mujuhadeen informants allowed asylem in the UK? Dont you think this should be countered? Dont call me racist, you dont know me. Iv come for a debate not childish name calling.
    Have you even bothered to read the other threads I linked you to? If not, your 'arguments' here will fall upon deaf ears.
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    You only have to look at places like Lebanon to see that Islam can quickly and effectivly flex its muscles. I belive the same could happen here and sadly our tolerance could be our downfall. I refer you back to the case a month or so ago when a Muslim extremist spraypainted to words ''Islam will rule the world and Osama is coming''. The charges were cleared and no more was said about it. Two weeks later 2 EDLers had a sit-out on top of a disused factory with signs saying 'no to the burka' and are now facing rediculous charges of inciting Race/Religous hatred. I feel our PC attitude towards there sort of situations is quickly sending us on the slippery slope to destruction and it has to be countered...
    You fear the muslims because what you think they might be doing to you in the future.

    A lot of the muslims fear westerners because of what some western states are actually doing in their countries. Islamism is an ideology which is based on a feeling of weakness, not a position of strength.
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    You fear the muslims because what you think they might be doing to you in the future.

    A lot of the muslims fear westerners because of what some western states are actually doing in their countries. Islamism is an ideology which is based on a feeling of weakness, not a position of strength.
    aside from the fact that 'islamism' is a by product of western infringence in the middle east. Before the british carving up of Palestine, there was no islamic terrorism against western interests.

    Perhaps the focus of the EDL's protests should the Israeli and american embassies.
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    You fear the muslims because what you think they might be doing to you in the future.

    A lot of the muslims fear westerners because of what some western states are actually doing in their countries. Islamism is an ideology which is based on a feeling of weakness, not a position of strength.
    If its an ideology then please explain why im a racist for opposing it. I think most religion is based on weakness but its still dangerous
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    the knuckledragging no surrender image you mean you just have to look over the water to see what your great free protestant country is doing in ireland you are nothing but a racist bigot

    hope to see you soon
    Please elaborate...
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    If its an ideology then please explain why im a racist for opposing it. I think most religion is based on weakness but its still dangerous
    You are a racist in the same vein that the nazis were racists for demonising the jews.

    The difference being muslims are not protected by the law against hate crime in the same capacity that jews are. Either way, you are a member/supporter of a hate group and you have no business on a progressive forum.
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    aside from the fact that 'islamism' is a by product of western infringence in the middle east. Before the british carving up of Palestine, there was no islamic terrorism against western interests.

    Perhaps the focus of the EDL's protests should the Israeli and american embassies.
    Two wrongs dont make a right. You cant justify the killing of innoent people and thats the end of it. Islamism has existed as long as islam so thats wrong mate. Do you blame the british govenment for th autrosities of 9/11? :S
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    Woah, calm down. Im on my Iphone so i cant give links but 9/11, 7/7, 21/7?
    Simply giving me some dates of well-known terrorist attacks is not actually an argument. I fail to see how these attacks, and the people behind them, were representative of the views held by the vast majority of Muslim people.
    what about the hate Choudary and his crew are allowed to spout? the IFE and other Islamofascist organisations?
    You seem to have conveniently ignored the picture I posted a few replies up, of children holding signs saying "God hates fags". Every religion has adherents that are bastards. If your criticize Islam then you must analyse every other single religion, otherwise you're biased and demagogic.
    Muslim gang attacks. Honour killings?
    Have you ever heard of the conflict between Protestants and Catholics, in the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland? And I think it's fair to say that "Muslim gang attacks" are fairly isolated. They're not widespread. They're not part of a wider campaign to force every single non-Muslim to bow down to Sharia law. Please could cite an example of these "Muslim gang attacks"?
    The Luton protest against soldiers.
    This was not a protest against the soldiers. It was a protest against the war itself. You need to clearly differentiate. They were not attempting to protest because they wanted to piss on soldiers coffins. Precisely the opposite in fact: in opposing the war itself, not the ordinary men and women fighting it, you oppose vehemently the deaths of ordinary working people.
    Unregulated mosqes and Islamic centers.
    Um, no. As I previously mentioned, and which you failed to directly address, is that the Muslim population in the UK is tiny. "Unregulated" mosques should, of course, be allowed. This is a little thing called religious freedom. Freedom; do you know what it is? I know you're highly intolerant of Muslim people, but they're actually allowed (or at least should be in a fair and democratic society) to do what they want. Again, this implies racism and an anti-Islam bias. There's millions radical preacher for every religion. This is a true story: a few months ago I was in town and saw a white, middle-aged male talking rather loudly on top of a pedestal. He was preaching Christian beliefs. He was saying this along the lines of, basically: "if you don't worship Jesus, or repent from your sins, you will be punished and go to hell". This is no exaggeration. It got me quite angry because, as a white middle-aged man, he was simply ignored or dismissed as irrelevant. However, if he was even vaguely middle-eastern looking, with a beard, preaching in the name of Allah, and with a veiled woman by his side, then he would have been shouted out, abused and maybe even worse for being a "terrorist". Ironic, isn't it?
    Al-queder and mujuhadeen informants allowed asylem in the UK?
    Please substantiate.
    Dont you think this should be countered? Dont call me racist, you dont know me. Iv come for a debate not childish name calling.
    And don't tell me calm down, I have no tolerance, and nor does anyone else here, for your underdeveloped and ignorant views.
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    You are a racist in the same vein that the nazis were racists for demonising the jews.

    The difference being muslims are not protected by the law against hate crime in the same capacity that jews are. Either way, you are a member/supporter of a hate group and you have no business on a progressive forum.
    I could argue the same about revleft. You hate capitalists right? Judging be some peoples logic on here you must be a racist hate-group too. I came here for reasonable debate, all iv found is abusive name calling and childish labeling. No-body has answered my question. How is opposing Islamic-extremism racist??
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    Simply giving me some dates of well-known terrorist attacks is not actually an argument. I fail to see how these attacks, and the people behind them, were representative of the views held by the vast majority of Muslim people. You seem to have conveniently ignored the picture I posted a few replies up, of children holding signs saying "God hates fags". Every religion has adherents that are bastards. If your criticize Islam then you must analyse every other single religion, otherwise you're biased and demagogic.Have you ever heard of the conflict between Protestants and Catholics, in the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland? And I think it's fair to say that "Muslim gang attacks" are fairly isolated. They're not widespread. They're not part of a wider campaign to force every single non-Muslim to bow down to Sharia law. Please could cite an example of these "Muslim gang attacks"? This was not a protest against the soldiers. It was a protest against the war itself. You need to clearly differentiate. They were not attempting to protest because they wanted to piss on soldiers coffins. Precisely the opposite in fact: in opposing the war itself, not the ordinary men and women fighting it, you oppose vehemently the deaths of ordinary working people. Um, no. As I previously mentioned, and which you failed to directly address, is that the Muslim population in the UK is tiny. "Unregulated" mosques should, of course, be allowed. This is a little thing called religious freedom. Freedom; do you know what it is? I know you're highly intolerant of Muslim people, but they're actually allowed (or at least should be in a fair and democratic society) to do what they want. Again, this implies racism and an anti-Islam bias. There's millions radical preacher for every religion. This is a true story: a few months ago I was in town and saw a white, middle-aged male talking rather loudly on top of a pedestal. He was preaching Christian beliefs. He was saying this along the lines of, basically: "if you don't worship Jesus, or repent from your sins, you will be punished and go to hell". This is no exaggeration. It got me quite angry because, as a white middle-aged man, he was simply ignored or dismissed as irrelevant. However, if he was even vaguely middle-eastern looking, with a beard, preaching in the name of Allah, and with a veiled woman by his side, then he would have been shouted out, abused and maybe even worse for being a "terrorist". Ironic, isn't it? Please substantiate. And don't tell me calm down, I have no tolerance, and nor does anyone else here, for your underdeveloped and ignorant views.

    I never said they were...

    I never ingore it. I said I disagree with is as much as any other religoin but I find Islam a bigger and more dangerous threat to this country
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    Can somebody please reply to this...

    Why am I racist for opposing Sharia and Islamic extremists??
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    Two wrongs dont make a right.
    I didnt claim they do, but that isnt an excuse for taking an overly moralistic approach. What islamism has done to the west is far from analogous to what the west has done to the islamic world. 250 000 Iraqis died alone in the iraq war, and god knows how many Palestinians were killed by british and american weapons in the last 60 years. How does that even compare to the islamic attacks, even combined?
    You cant justify the killing of innoent people and thats the end of it.
    Im not trying to justify anything, im merely explaining to you that in the broader context ignoring why muslims are so angry at the west is counter productive and does nothing to close the pandora's box opened by britain in the 1940's. Wether you like it or not, oppression is going to breed bloodshed against the percieved oppressor of the day. I lived in Belfast during the early 90's i know what i am talking about.
    Islamism has existed as long as islam so thats wrong mate.
    This is exactly why your group as such bigots. When you use sweeping terms such as this, you try to pin all the blame on one demographic. I really dont see your point. Christian bloodshed as existed as long as christianity. The truth of the matter is all religions breed violence. The way in which the EDL are prejudiced against one reveals their true colours.
    Do you blame the british govenment for th autrosities of 9/11? :S
    In a way yes, because they are the ones who bankrolled, armed and provided political legitimacy to the zionist invaders who created this clusterfuck in the first place.
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    Can somebody please reply to this...

    Why am I racist for opposing Sharia and Islamic extremists??
    Because you focus your hatred on one group as opposed to all religous backwardness and violence. Why doesnt the EDL oppose christian abortion clinic bombers and kiddy fiddling priests?

    If youre still too stupid to understand i suppose you always will be.
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    I could argue the same about revleft. You hate capitalists right? Judging be some peoples logic on here you must be a racist hate-group too. I came here for reasonable debate, all iv found is abusive name calling and childish labeling. No-body has answered my question. How is opposing Islamic-extremism racist??
    No sorry, try again. As previously demonstrated your arguments hold absolutely no water when analysed properly. Race is not the same catergory as class. Class is a structural phenomenon quite specific to capitalism. It's an economic category. Working class people (or proletarians as Marxists called them) are in the class they are in, and subordinate to the ruling class (or bourgeoisie, to use the Marxist term) because they have no choice but to work for a living, or simply die. Your class is defined by the capacity in which you work, and by your relations to the means of production (i.e. factories, tools, offices -- basically anything that capitalist owns, whilst the proletarian does not.) Race is biologically determined; it's not a category specifically in correlation with a historical epoch.

    THIS IS WHY YOU AND YOUR ORGANISATION IS RACIST: Opposing Islamic-extremism in itself is not explicitly racist, but the way in which the EDL, and BNP actually, does it is racist. They oppose Islam in such a way that it excludes opposition to any other faith. When you do a bit of research and find out that every other religion has extremists, and every other religion should be condemned for being dogmatic and demagogic then you find that every religion should be opposed equally. You exclude Islamism simply because your intolerant, ignorant racists. Your inciting hatred against ordinary people, who clearly aren't terrorist, and who clearly don't want to implement Sharia law nationwide. You're also inciting hatred and violence against a people that a targeted a million times worse because the media stirs up a horrible jingoistic sentiment against the purported theat immigrants and "Muslim extremists", when in fact, with a Muslim population of 2.8% in Britain, there's really no threat at all.
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    No, dont YOU understand that that doesnt make me racist? Which RACE am i discriminating against? I feel you are only using the word as a defence for your argument and you dont seem to fully understand what it means...which is sad. Im not against all muslims, Neither am I against Islam. So using your logic the British armed forces are racist because there opposing Sharia and extremism but because there only fightign muslim extremism and not extremism on the wider spectrum...they must ALL be racist...
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    I find Islam a bigger and more dangerous threat to this country
    You're highly deluded, and blinkered in your views then.
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    No, dont YOU understand that that doesnt make me racist? Which RACE am i discriminating against? I feel you are only using the word as a defence for your argument and you dont seem to fully understand what it means...which is sad. Im not against all muslims, Neither am I against Islam. So using your logic the British armed forces are racist because there opposing Sharia and extremism but because there only fightign muslim extremism and not extremism on the wider spectrum...they must ALL be racist...
    Remind me again, how many muslim members does the EDL have.

    Grab your coat mate, i think youre about to ride the bancannon.
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