struggle against the albanian terorists

[war child]

let me tell all of you about the situation in Macedonia.
First the people,which we caled brothers,suddenly started to chase the macedonian people out of their houses.
they robed,killed,raped and beated to death innocent people.
the albanian terorists are cowards because they never fight face to face,but always from ambush.
NATO were even protecting them.
Our "corumped" goverment made a peace deal with them,but they still remain the same.
Now I only wish that we had some brave rebel like Che Guevara.

[drunktank]

This is such a simple thought.

It could be like this:

Someone paid Albanians to
rape/kill people ex-Yugoslavia.

Yugoslavians raped/killed twice
as much Albanians to take
revenge for this.

etc..

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Why should they fight face to face.

Che fought and left.
Kolokotronis did the same.
Ambush is the guerilla
way of fighting and it
is not something to be shamed for.

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And ..

Oh, please don't call
this state Macedonia,
it is a historical fault.

Macedonia is a Greek part
for thousands of years.

(if you don't agree with the
last, it would be interesting to
discuss it in a different thread.)

[war child]

listen baby,if you haven't heard, Macedonia is an independent country and I must remind you to think before you tell something about the albanian terorists.
I think if they wanted their rights (which they have) they would ask for them in another way.
you think that fighting from an ambush is allright,then ok,everybody has right to their own opinion
but if you think that beating innocent people, raping,robbing,killing,even after a peace deal is made is good...

[drunktank]

This state that came from Yugoslavia
(I think it is written "Skopje",
we pranounce it Skopia),
is an independent nation.

I just wanted to say that Skopje
is not Macedonia and Macedonia is
a place in the Greek state.

It's wrong to call those people Macedonians.
It's like saying Alexander the Great
was their ancestor.
But, hell, Slabs only came there
while the Byzantine empire.

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Pardon my English but
beating from Ambush
doesn't mean "hit and leave"?
I didn't mean that raping
is Good.

I wanted to tell that
the point is to create a Muslim
zone in the heart of Balcans
and I think that Bin Landen is
behind it.

[war child]

I'll tell you three things,boy :
first: WE ARE MACEDONIANS!
second: there is already a Muslim zone in Balcan and it's Albania.
And third: where r u from?

[drunktank]

The biggest the zone is,
the better for them.

They try to prevent..

I don't know what they're
trying to prevent, but
my thought says me
they are araid of the
Rigas Feraios' dream.

I'm going to make
a new thread now
for the name of that state.

And I'm Greek.

[war child]

maybe you like them,but I hate them.

p.s. I knew that you are greek.

[drunktank]

oh no,
who told I like them?
I just try to be objective.

You d better not hate anyone,
especially your enemies.

[CheGuevara]

I really don't know about the denial of Albanian rights in Macedonia. All I can say is that if they are being denied their rights, guerrilla warfare, including ambushes, is perfectly acceptable, especially when the Macedonian govt is getting new killing toys from other govts everyday, like MI-24 helicopters. Raping, beating, robbing, and killing innocent people is not an acceptable part of guerrilla warfare, before or after a peacedeal. However, if they were only robbing from the wealthy in order to support their cause(buying weapons or something with it, as opposed to buying drugs or something). As for Macedonia being a part of Greece, I don't like it whenever people make such far reaching historical claims to land(i.e Israelis in Palestine), although at least here we know your claim Drunktank has some basis of fact(in that we know the Macedonians had some connection to the land). However, it is still incorrect. Macedonia was a separate kingdom. It only became "connected" with the rest of Greece when Alexander the Great's father, Philip II, the King of Macedonia, defeated a Theban-Athenian army at Chaeronea in 338 BC. So the only links the two "countries"(Greece was still many city states at this point) was through conquest.

[drunktank]

Oh I don't claim that Skopje
should be a part of Greece.

I only said "Macedonians" is
the wrong name for those people
and it's not something not important.

[war child]

CheGuevara,the albanians don't rob rich people,but people from the macedonian villages,and they do rob,kill,beat burn and rape.
thanks for saying the truth:
that Macedonia is a separate kingdom.
And drunktank: why you greeks are always against us?

[drunktank]

CheGuevara,

The ancient Greece was
organised in many cities-states.

Athens, Sparta and Macedonia
were different states but they
all recognised being Greeks.

Saying Macedonians were not Greeks
is like saying that Atheneans or Spartans
were not Greek.

Even if what you claim is truth,
the people living today in FYROM (Skopje)
are not Macedonians of Alexander the Great.

They are Slabs that habited that area
during the Byzantine Empire.

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Sister war child,

the Greeks are with Skopje.

We even sent you troops
that are supposed to help peace.

Personally I'm not against any tribe.
After all, we have the same religion.

[CheGuevara]

I don't think it's important to argue over borders. I believe that national borders are more or less arbitrary tools in a divide and conquer(or more appropriately, divide and maintain the status quo) strategy used by capitalists against the people.

[Guest]

Some facts about those bastards: The UCK is an terorist organisation financed though organized crime like prostitution and drug trade. They have been trained and supplied with weapons by NATO states like Germany and the USA to fight Yugoslavia. They have been the ground troops for the NATO during the Kosovo war. The are responsable for ethinic cleanings in the Kosovo which are still happening. Now it seems that the NATO has lost the contol over the UCK.

[war child]

thats right and you know what,that also happens in Macedonia.They are also responsable for the etnhic cleaning in Tetovo. and USA are always trying to be the great peacemakers,which are not (no offence)

[CheGuevara]

Yes, I don't care particularly for the UCK. However, to say they're participating in ethnic cleansing in Kosovo is a farce. They're a bunch of bandits terrorizing Serbs in unrelated incidents. While the attacks are detestable, many are not fatal. Some of the Serbs leave of their own free will, not wanting to be a part of a majority ruled society, or out of fear of potential terrorization. Beforehand, the Serbs were engaged in the actual systematic and efficient(I doubt that percentage figures of Serbs killed since the Serb army left Kosovo would come anywhere near approaching that of Albanians killed during the cleansing)killing of people and forcible removal of people from their homes.

[drunktank]

Che Guevara,

I don't speak about borders.

I would like it if there were not borders.
I didn't say that FYROM should be
a part of Greece.

What I say is not against Skopjans.

I said that that place is not Macedonia
and they are not Macedonians.
That place is Skopje and they are Skopjans.

[Chief Rebel Angel]

flashes of racism i see against muslims if i'm not mistaken... "maybe u like them but i hate them" (warchild)... "oh no, who told I like them?" (drunktank)... i'd understand if that hatred was towards true terroists and terrorism... but then again what is the terrorism ur against? what the palestinians r doing? what bin laden is ACCUSED (and i emphasize on ACCUSED) of doin?


Chechinia (if its spelled right) is also a muslim state in the balcan i think.. maybe not in the heart of the balcan but its there.. and russia is trying to wipe it out...

bosnia is another one..

[drunktank]

chief rebel angel,

I'm not racist.

Of course I like the uck
as I like all the people.
I meant I don't support them
and I don't like what they're doing.

My English is too bad, I know.

Chechenia is not in balkans,
it's in Caucasus and Bosnia
is very north.

I said I think/have heard/etc
that Bin Landen supports/creates
those wars in Balkans
in order to create a muslim zone
in Balkans and break them in two.

United States of Balcans would be
a big problem for the big powers
and if they have not all the same religion
it's more difficult to be created.

[Guest]

ChieRebelAngel, you are blinded by your religion. It seems that you can't distinguish beween reactionary struggles like the UCK and Bin Laden are doing and true revolutionary struggles as we have in Mexico.

However, to say they're participating in ethnic cleansing in Kosovo is a farce. They're a bunch of bandits terrorizing Serbs in unrelated incidents. While the attacks are detestable, many are not fatal.

The ethnic cleansings of the UCK are sytematic and fatal! They are killing Serbs on the streets at daylight. And they are not only killing/expulsing Serbs! Their ethnic insanity also concerns other etnic groups like Gybsies and Croatians! Now they want to create "ethnic clean" terretories" in Macedonia. The UCK are fucking fascists and much worter than the Milosevic regime ever was!