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    We have unveiled a video whereby we discuss our mission, ideology, as well as attempt to justify our past, current and future actions. The video is available for $10-$12 depending where you live. All proceeds will be funneled into further acts of ecotage, propaganda,
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    Thanks esse. Will support your efforts by purchasing this curious video and will relay this info. to my compatriots.
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    What do you all think of animal rights? How many of you
    are vegetarians or have thought of assuming a vegetarian lifestyle? Vegetarianism means more than just eating a vegetarian diet you know. It also means using products (clothes, mascara) that do not directly or indirectly promote cruelty to animals.

    Just think on it. Remember Hamlet's reflections when he accidently kills Polonius?

    Act IV, Scene iii, Lines 1-81.
    King Claudius: How now! what hath befall'n?

    Rosencrantz: Where the dead body is bestow'd, my lord, We cannot get from him.

    King Claudius: But where is he?

    Rosencrantz: Without, my lord; guarded, to know your pleasure.

    King Claudius: Bring him before us.

    Rosencrantz: Ho, Guildenstern! bring in my lord.
    [Enter HAMLET and GUILDENSTERN]

    King Claudius: Now, Hamlet, where's Polonius?

    Hamlet: At supper.

    King Claudius: At supper! where?

    Hamlet: Not where he eats, but where he is eaten: a certain convocation of politic worms are e'en at him. Your worm is your only emperor for diet: we fat all
    creatures else to fat us, and we fat ourselves for
    maggots: your fat king and your lean beggar is but
    variable service, two dishes, but to one table: that's the end.

    King Claudius: Alas, alas!

    Hamlet: A man may fish with the worm that hath eat of a king, and eat of the fish that hath fed of that worm.

    King Claudius: What dost you mean by this?

    Hamlet: Nothing but to show you how a king may go a
    progress through the guts of a beggar.

    King Claudius: Where is Polonius?

    Hamlet: In heaven; send hither to see: if your messenger find him not there, seek him i' the other place yourself. But indeed, if you find him not within
    this month, you shall nose him as you go up the stairs into the lobby.

    King Claudius: Go seek him there
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    I'm a vegan, which is a person who abstains from anything that may cause harm to animals.

    The difference between a vegan and a vegetarian is a vegetarians will not eat meat, but may eat fish and fowl and does not neccessarily abstain from products that test on animals.

    There is a book called "Shopping for a better world" which lists which companies testing products on animals etc. If you are familiar with the Peta literature then you have seen how tortourous and inhuman these tests are and some even unneccessary.

    http://www.Peta.org
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    Yes my Greek-named friend, you do well to differentiate between the two. I was advancing vegetarianism simply because some people find it really difficult to make such a dramatic switch in their lifestyle. Some get sick from not getting enough protein and other necessary nutrients in their diet. Revolutionizing your diet requires some study and is not for the faint-hearted. It also requires patience and a strong, dedicated will. Vegetarianism is useful as a transitory stage. We're open-minded enough to let people choose this alternative to the culinary status quo. Indeed, if everyone opted for vegetarianism we would have the carnivorous-corporate-lackeys on their hands and knees.

    Ideally, I wish the world would go vegan but that is just not being realistic. Still thanks for bringing that up.
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    it is not natural to be a vegetarian.
    is it ?
    for the love of love
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    nature gave man a highly evolved brain, this highly evolved brain developed a conscience not to eat meat (for some people) therefore being a vegetarian is natural.
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    Quote: from Guest on 2:09 am on July 30, 2001
    nature gave man a highly evolved brain, this highly evolved brain developed a conscience not to eat meat (for some people) therefore being a vegetarian is natural.
    let me change it ..

    Nature gave man a highly evolved brain.
    This highly evolved brain developed a
    conscience of homosexuality (for some people).
    Therefore being a gay is natural?

    I don't think so.
    for the love of love
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    Don't go too far, drunktank. I don't tolerate any homophobia in the community...
    "The proletariat, when it seizes power [...] should and must at once undertake socialist measures in the most energetic, unyielding and unhesitant fashion, in other words, exercise a dictatorship, but a dictatorship of the CLASS, not of a party or of a clique -- dictatorship of the class, that means in the broadest possible form on the basis of the most active, unlimited participation of the mass of the people, of unlimited democracy." - Rosa Luxemburg

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    i agree with drunktank malte, but let me put it yet another way:

    nature gave man a highly evolved brain. the highly evolved brain created capitalism. so capitalism is natural an therefore okay? i don't think any of us think so...that's not a valid arguement. with that you can justify anything man does.

    i think being vegetarian is natural. but i don't think eating meat isn't. eating other living things is perfectly natural and okay. should lions not eat antelope because it's cruel to the antelope? the only difference with people is that people raise cattle in cruel ways. they are locked up in pens for all their lives (this is not true on all farms though)
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    I'm not gay, which I point out only because I can't speak for the Gay community. However as I understand it being gay is not a choice. Humans may choose to be Vegiterians, yet if you are truly gay you are only atracted to the same sex. For them, to think of sex with the oposite sex is not natural. It is not a phonomina that is found only with humans, yet is found among other species.

    I have a theory about homosexuality related to evolution, that may or may not be popular with gays.

    I think that when population levels rise to frightening hights nature performs natural selection by incresing the number of homosexuals. In this way homosexuals perform their part for nature by not procrating.
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    Quote: from Malte on 3:53 am on July 30, 2001
    Don't go too far, drunktank. I don't tolerate any homophobia in the community...
    Oh,

    I'm not a homophobic.
    I'm not a gay.
    I don't hate gays.
    I don't try to offend them.
    I accept them.

    But it just seems innatural to me.
    for the love of love
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    Quote: from RedCeltic on 6:58 am on July 30, 2001
    I'm not gay, which I point out only because I can't speak for the Gay community. However as I understand it being gay is not a choice. Humans may choose to be Vegiterians, yet if you are truly gay you are only atracted to the same sex. For them, to think of sex with the oposite sex is not natural. It is not a phonomina that is found only with humans, yet is found among other species.

    I have a theory about homosexuality related to evolution, that may or may not be popular with gays.

    I think that when population levels rise to frightening hights nature performs natural selection by incresing the number of homosexuals. In this way homosexuals perform their part for nature by not procrating.
    and if I eat too much,
    I'll get too fat
    and I'll get a heart attack.

    Is it natural ?
    for the love of love
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    Drunktank.... death is natural...
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    love is a natural thing nature doesnt tell us who we have to love. but because having sex in a gay way doesnt produce kids, its not natural? i dont think so

    we are part of nature so everything we do is nature, if its against what we think of nature we dont understand it.

    if we polute this world further nature will get back at us to re-estblish the equlibirium with the other species

    pollution is like revolution in the end we will reach utopia but we have to hurry the procces

    in case of nature maybe we wont be there ( i think the world is better of without the human beings there, but we are here so lets make the best of it respect equality liberation imagine
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    I am much enamoured with the Earth Liberation
    Front. They let everyone become a member on the condition that they abide by their promulgated guidelines:

    How does one become a member of the ELF?

    http://www.necessarydissent.org/elf/faq.htm

    The ELF does not have any sort of physical membership list or meetings you can attend to become involved. Remember, the ELF revolves around not a physical base or classically designed structure, but instead an ideology. If you believe in the ELF ideology and you follow a certain set of widely published guidelines, you can conduct actions and become part of the ELF.

    The ELF guidelines are as follows:

    1. To cause as much economic damage as possible to a given entity that is profiting off the destruction of the natural environment and life for selfish greed and profit

    2. To educate the public life on the atrocities committed against the environment and life

    3. To take all necessary precautions against harming life.

    As you can see the guidelines are very similar to the goals of the ELF with one major exception. The third of the three guidelines states that one must take all the necessary precautions against harming life. The ELF considers itself a non-violent organization as no physical harm has come to a human as a result of the group's actions. This is by no means a sheer coincidence but in fact a commitment to the guidelines.

    Individuals interested in becoming active in the ELF need to follow the above guidelines and create their own close knit anonymous cell made up of trustworthy and sincere people. Remember the ELF and each cell within it are anonymous not only to one another but also to the general public. So there is not a realistic chance of becoming active in an already existing cell. Take initiative, form your own cell and do what needs to be done!
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    back to the vegetarianism thing, for some people it is natural. some people's digestive systems can't handle meat and therefore some people are vegetarians NOT by choice. this has been proven by "SCIENCE" (i have theories on science though that may come up at a later date)

    and i am also a vegetarian
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    This is just wierd
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    Quote from RedCeltic:

    I think that when population levels rise to frightening hights nature performs natural selection by incresing the number of homosexuals. In this way homosexuals perform their part for nature by not procrating.
    What a strangely beautiful theory... Love it. I also don't think that homosexuals should be offended by it.

    Essentially you're providing an example of what could be considered part of the Gaia Theory / Hypothesis. Look it up if you're not already familiar with it, it's amazing.
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    What was it that got troll/versus banned again?

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