council comunism large scale project?

[danyboy27]

How huuge project like research and developements would work in a society organised around council communism? how standards would be set without making a total mess of over complicated bureaucracy?

To me council communism seem efficient in workplace in general, but on a higher level i dont know how it would work.

[cenv]

Plus, we have a very powerful tool: the Internet. Modern technology gives us the communication methods to coordinate large projects, the distribution of goods, etc. on a global scale without having to jeopardize democracy or resort to clumsy bureaucracies. As Marx pointed out, technological innovation paves the way to radically new forms of economic organization.

[danyboy27]

By sending recallable delegates to bigger and bigger councils from each of the smaller ones, it wouldn't be bureaucratic as socialism from below would be established by the ability of having recall and accountability at every level.

One example of it working "nationwide" by traditional boundaries, might be the All-Russian congress of Soviets happening for example with every level inbetween happening as well (regionwide, citywide etc) and each electing for themselves their own main committees, in the all-Russian example they chose this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-Rus...tive_Committee, there would probably be less control given to the bigger CECs but still, I think this is probably quite close in structure to what would be preferred by council communists.

since council communism implies that there is no state anymore, how do you define the size of the whole structure then? Continents?

Lets say you have the autonomous Union of north america, their boundries delimited by the cities who decided to join it.

North america is, simply huuge. Even thru a layer of elected councils, i just cant picture myself the hellish nightmare it would be to vote for something like ressources allocation for a space shuttle.

So what the answer? Keep the current democratic structure but do a LOT of radical modifications in order to preserve democracy?

modification like this would make sense.
-no more prime minister/presidents
-no political parties of any kinds, leftist or not.
-any elected member could be recalled by those who voted for him.
-The police and the army wouldnt be centralised, wich mean nobody hold the monopoly of violence.
-More power given to the cities council regarding the control of the land.

[danyboy27]

well, from my understanding political party would create useless divisions inside a collective.

every party would fight for itself like its the case today.

I dont think it should be imposed on people, but if the people would really vote for getting rid of political parties, it would be nice.

In my city there was quite a number of independents representatives for the cities council, they did a great job until they joined the local party, then hell broke loose.

A political party destroy innovation.
-the party line
-sectarianism
-Peer pressure from other member of that party
-constantly oppose the other side idea over mundane ideological differences


i really dont see any great purpose for political party.