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You do not know anything about my sexuality comrade.
you are going to get banned, you taking the piss clearly, i was happy to debate you when you were just lying about who and what you were but you are being a ****.
Are we? Why now though? WE never have dome before....
I hope we are.
I also hope it isn't becuse the EDL has highlighted the hypocrisy so we feel like we have to do something but really our hearts aren't in it as we'd rather be in Leeds calling people fascists for opposing anti-fascism.!
Anyway, i'd like to join this anti choudary protest (don't worry i won't wear any leather lmao)
When does it start and where?
Insurgent right-wing populism.
If Islamist reactionaries aren't fascist, what are they? Are they neo-liberal? Social Democratic? Marxist-Leninist? Anarchist?
crap definitionInsurgent right-wing populism.
If Islamist reactionaries aren't fascist, what are they? Are they neo-liberal? Social Democratic? Marxist-Leninist? Anarchist?
Ivan "Bonebreaker" Khutorskoy16.11.2009"We won't forget, we won't forgive"
That was a dumb thing to say.
What makes 'Islamist reactionaries' any worse than other religious fundamentalists?If Islamist reactionaries aren't fascist, what are they? Are they neo-liberal? Social Democratic? Marxist-Leninist? Anarchist?
What's your definition?
How so?
Nothing, and I never said they were. There are Christian-fascists, Jewish-fascists, Shinto-fascists, Buddhist-fascists, Hindu-fascists, Pagan-fascists, etc.
An authritarian movement which aims to establish nationalism as some unifying factor against the supposed threat of some sort of external power to the nation, with the aim of dividing members of the working class against each other - this can be manifested in a force of nationalists trying to gain some sort of supremacy and incite racial violence in ana rea, or it can be the bourgeoisie reaction against the feared growth in the power of the working class, either way, authoritarian nationalism attacking a member of society by means of dividing people.
Ivan "Bonebreaker" Khutorskoy16.11.2009"We won't forget, we won't forgive"
I have some sympathy for what AntiFA Manchester is saying even if the term "islamofascism" is inadvisable (though IMO it hardly warrants the threat of banning!). NO decent human being could sit back and condone the despicable acts of religious bigots such as these ...
From http://thinkprogress.org/2009/04/21/iraq-militias-glue/
Iraqi militias gluing anuses of gay men and inducing diarrhea to cause death.
Relying on an International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission translation of a recent Al Arabiya story, the blog Towleroad reports that Iraqi militias have been engaging in some particularly brutal tactics toward gay men in Iraq:
“A prominent Iraqi human rights activist says that Iraqi militia have deployed a painful form of torture against homosexuals by closing their anuses using ‘Iranian gum.’ …Yina Mohammad told Alarabiya.net that, ‘Iraqi militias have deployed an unprecedented form of torture against homosexuals by using a very strong glue that will close their anus.’ According to her, the new substance ‘is known as the American hum, which is an Iranian-manufactured glue that if applied to the skin, sticks to it and can only be removed by surgery. After they glue the anuses of homosexuals, they give them a drink that causes diarrhea. Since the anus is closed, the diarrhea causes death. Videos of this form of torture are being distributed on mobile cellphones in Iraq.’”The Iraqi defense ministry reported earlier this month that six gay men were shot dead in a Shia-controlled part of Baghadad. “Two of the bodies, found on Thursday, had pieces of paper attached on which was written the word ‘Pervert.’” According to the source in the Al Arabiya article, “for the past 3 weeks a crackdown on homosexuals has been going on based on a religious decree that demands their death; dozens have been targeted.” The persecution “is not confined to the Shiite clerics,” the source said. “Some Sunni leaders have also declared the death penalty for sodomy on satellite channels.”
Because Fascism is an economic system and form of governance.
No, but you think 'Islamist reactionaries' are fascists when most strongly conservative Islamic people are just fundies like those of all other religions.
Islamist insurgent right-wing populists are "authoritarian" in the catchy buzzword anarchyist sense of the word "authoritarian".
Which is what Islamist insurgent right-populists do.
Which is the aim of Islamist insurgent right-populists.
As Islamist right-populists do. For example, pogroms in Iraq against Yezidis, Mandeans, Assyrian Christians, Sufis, etc.
Typical sophist anarchyist "antifa" indoctrination. Are you saying that the Weimar Republic created the Nazis? Why do you think the liberal bourgeoisie would rather be overthrown by fascists than communists?
And how do Islamist reactionaries not qualify, exactly, especially in specific regards to their policies towards homosexuals?
Please explain what you mean by this before we continue.
Ivan "Bonebreaker" Khutorskoy16.11.2009"We won't forget, we won't forgive"
islamofascist shouldbt be a bannable term and isnt.
Yes he is right that some muslims are awful people, but he comes across as a UK far right person and so we argue against him and give our reasons.
I would not nod along with a Nazi about how Judaism is opressive in a smiliar way
Are you saying fascist states are not part of the capitalist economic system?
Fascists use capitalist methods of governance. (Police, military, etc.) What distinguishes them is how they get in a position of governance.
I'm not talking about people who happen to be conservative Muslims, I'm talking about Islamist right-populist activists.
I was being a little playful and rude, but what I meant is the notion that fascism is a conspiracy by or tendency of an existing bourgeois regime to forestall left-wing revolution is A) incorrect and B) inexplicably popular among many participants in antifa groups and movements.
for me, and for other antifascists it is the role fascism plays that makes it fascism
not its component parts, although they crop up again and again and are part of a 'build you own' kit of fascist ideology
But we don't think its a conspiracy, we just think it has a specific class nature and serves a specific purpose as part of class society.
Ivan "Bonebreaker" Khutorskoy16.11.2009"We won't forget, we won't forgive"
Are you saying that historically, fascist states have acted exactly the same as capitalist states? Of course they are capitalist, they are just extremely degenerated a form of capitalism.
They are significantly different to capitalists in their form of governance.
Yet, you never mention or attack Christian right-populist activists, which number in the millions in your presumable homeland of the USA. Nice going, when it's Islamic fundamentalism they are fascists, when it's Christians they are just working-class or something.
Agree, 100%. Among Islamic populations, so-called "Islamo-fascist" ideologies play that role. To suggest this is an insult to Islam is just left-wing PC oversensitivity. (No one, for example, would shudder if I referred to "Judeo-fascism" in regards to reactionary Jewish settlers in Palestine) Why would young, right-wing Muslims embrace, say, Odinist fascism?
Why was my mancunina comrade banned?
He seemed to raise some good points. I used to be his boyfriend lol so I know what he's talking about.
I too would like to join this anti-choudary march.
an any of you guys tell me where it will be starting and at what time?!
Will be so good to stick it to this evil fascist!
