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    It's a Public Decision as much as condoning murder or child abuse is.
    It should never be a public decision. Pregnancy is possibly the most personal experience a woman can have - there is a foetus developing inside her own body for goodness sake, there's no way the government should force her to give birth. I'd go as far as saying that banning abortion is cruelty because it removes a choice that all people should be allowed to make. I can't stand it when people compare abortion to murder or child abuse, it shows such a lack of empathy and compassion. A person has to have been born before they can be murdered and child abuse causes great pain and suffering. It's not fair to compare these things. Of course an embryo has the potential to become a human life, but at that stage it isn't one and it can't survive on its own without the mother's support. There is a big divide in opinions on whether abortion is right or wrong, there is no such debate with murder. People don't sit around questioning whether child abuse is really wrong. Where there are split opinions, there should be a choice. Condemn it if you have to, but don't impose your beliefs on someone else.
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    The only power i have is to help guarantee that right to choice from those who wish to take away that right.
    Choice, whether social or economic, especially in the case of choosing to exploit workers, murder someone, or steal something of value for personal gain does not give you the right to exercise this "freedom."

    While i do not agree that abortions should be common practice, i don not think we should make laws respecting either viewpoint, in the vain hope that the right choice should be made, in my opinion.
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    I just thought I'd throw in a question for the pro-lifers. I was always pro-choice. However, there was a time I was more sympathetic (still pro-choice) the the pro-life position. My idea was that "pleasure in the future" matters so we should care about a fetus.

    However, why stop there? Some don't. They say contraception is wrong. However, why stop there? Why not have as many children as possible. Each one is a possible life that would not exist. Life is precious, after all.

    Does anyone draw a line here? And how do you do so without creating some sort of contradictory argument? I'm not looking to convert to being pro-life. I'm just curious.
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    It should never be a public decision. Pregnancy is possibly the most personal experience a woman can have - there is a foetus developing inside her own body for goodness sake, there's no way the government should force her to give birth. I'd go as far as saying that banning abortion is cruelty because it removes a choice that all people should be allowed to make. I can't stand it when people compare abortion to murder or child abuse, it shows such a lack of empathy and compassion. A person has to have been born before they can be murdered and child abuse causes great pain and suffering. It's not fair to compare these things. Of course an embryo has the potential to become a human life, but at that stage it isn't one and it can't survive on its own without the mother's support. There is a big divide in opinions on whether abortion is right or wrong, there is no such debate with murder. People don't sit around questioning whether child abuse is really wrong. Where there are split opinions, there should be a choice. Condemn it if you have to, but don't impose your beliefs on someone else.
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    This is why Richard Nixon is upset about a woman making a decision about her body (which is hers alone), but totally fine with a man doing what he pleases in his home (which is shared and maintains a public interest).

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    personnal choice, but i must say that a person that would abort constantly has a mean of contraception instead of using condom or contraceptive pills should somehow be warned and eventually educated about the impact her choices have over the whole health system.

    its not like we where short on the contraception method, hell there is even a vaccine that can prevent pregnancy!
    I always wonder whenever I hear people say this; do people really use abortion as a regular method of contraception? Ignoring the whole it costing the health system loads argument for one second; isn't having an abortion pretty invasive and generally not a nice experience? I wouldn't have thought many people would decide to not use contraception and rely on abortions just because after having had one they would realise how massively horrible they are and decide to use some other method from then on.
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    I always wonder whenever I hear people say this; do people really use abortion as a regular method of contraception? Ignoring the whole it costing the health system loads argument for one second; isn't having an abortion pretty invasive and generally not a nice experience? I wouldn't have thought many people would decide to not use contraception and rely on abortions just because after having had one they would realise how massively horrible they are and decide to use some other method from then on.
    Oh yeah, I knew a girl who used to get abortions monthly. She once told me that she did it just so that she could loosen herself up. Girl eventually became a young republican and found Jesus.
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    I always wonder whenever I hear people say this; do people really use abortion as a regular method of contraception? Ignoring the whole it costing the health system loads argument for one second; isn't having an abortion pretty invasive and generally not a nice experience? I wouldn't have thought many people would decide to not use contraception and rely on abortions just because after having had one they would realise how massively horrible they are and decide to use some other method from then on.
    hey, its not about money or even morality, its about having a functionnal health system.

    arbortion are not horrible, but while the doctor take care of that, he cant take care of something else.

    has i said, there is PLENTY of contraception methods avaliable.

    a monthly shot for exemple would be a lot less problematic for the woman than getting repeated arbortion.

    then again those case are fairly rare, but those people need education and efficient, practical mean of contraception.
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