Why drugs are illegale the message from MSN

[spice756]

After talking to guy on MSN he got talking about why drugs are illegale and posted a reply.

This sounds like conservative cover up.

People seem to be blaming right-wing institutions: corporations, churches, the military, etc.

The reality is these institutions held by far more power circa 1885 when drugs were so legal and accepted that society was two-steps away from mandating that opium be included in the water supply. The story of the 20th century is one of right-wing institutions losing power to left-wing institutions, in every other facet of political life the United States has shifted far to the left.

Even the most conservative politician today would be considered a raving lunatic leftist by the standards of 2009. ("What's that my good man? You say you want to institute a personal income tax, make it illegal not to hire negroes and have the federal government pay for the infirm?! Get a doctor! This chap must have a caught a touch of yellow fever in the Belgian Congo!")

Everywhere we have seen the left triumph over the right politically. Do you really think drug policy is some backwards anomaly? The one place reactionaries are winning? If you want to understand where modern drug policy originated look to the primarily left-wing institutions: newspapers, universities, political activists and think-tanks, and the federal bureaucracy. These are the groups who have grown in political importance in the past 100 years.

Modern drug prohibition is simply an offshoot of the Temperance movement that was strongly associated with the Progressive movement of the late 19th and early 20th centuries. This itself is simply an outgrowth of the leftist drive to engineer human nature and society to create "better, more virtuous man" in a shining new society.

It wasn't even until the late 60s will after drug prohibition was established that drug legalization even came to be associated with the left in any capacity whatsoever. We forget this because most of us were born well after,

I thought drugs got outlawed by a fanatic prohibitionist.The documentary is called Grass that explain it was race was why it was illegale.When white people did it no problem but when blacks or other people stated to do it they ban it and got all worked up do to race.

But the fanatic prohibitionist give goverment the grounds after that they can ban or un-ban has they want.

[bcbm]

I thought drugs got outlawed by a fanatic prohibitionist.The documentary is called Grass that explain it was race was why it was illegale.When white people did it no problem but when blacks or other people stated to do it they ban it and got all worked up do to race.

But the fanatic prohibitionist give goverment the grounds after that they can ban or un-ban has they want.

Its a bit different for different drugs, obviously, but marijuana was definitely made illegal to protect the interests of large manufacturers like dupont.

[spice756]

Under libertarian it was not exceptable for the goverment to control ,run , promote ,ban or un-ban any thing.It wa 100-free market , no laws and separation of church and state.

It was not to around 30's the goverment got the idea the right to control ,ban ,run and tell people how to live a moral life.

The goverment from than on promotes the church and morals that people are too stupid and need big government.

To this day the US goverment fears the growing of non -religious people and atheist.The goverment to this day dreads the brake down of family values like not marry and sleeping with some one or single moms , gays , having kids with out marrying.

And fear sex is out of control and drugs even smoking some weed is grave sin.The US goverment promotes the church and morals and think people are too stupid and need big government.

[danyboy27]

Under libertarian it was not exceptable for the goverment to control ,run , promote ,ban or un-ban any thing.It wa 100-free market , no laws and separation of church and state.
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yea and soon enough some dudes realised it was a mistake beccause without standards of quality people are diying.

It was not to around 30's the goverment got the idea the right to control ,ban ,run and tell people how to live a moral life.

it wasnt so much about living a moral live rather than not letting capitalism destroy everything. capitalism without rule isnt a viable option at all in long term. if you want to see what its like go in the philipines and india or other thirdworld countries where so called engineer dosnt apply basic building procedure, resulting in the death of million people beccause of hearthquake and landslide.

The goverment from than on promotes the church and morals that people are too stupid and need big government.
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rligious fanaticism existed long before the 30s man, same goes for moral.
remember the witches burning?

To this day the US goverment fears the growing of non -religious people and atheist.The goverment to this day dreads the brake down of family values like not marry and sleeping with some one or single moms , gays , having kids with out marrying.

yes, some elected nutjob really believe that, and a lot also believe obama is not american but guess what? Obama is in power anyway. Obama is like from a moral point of view the worst of the worst for many fanatic: he a former muslim, black, smoker! 6 year ago it would have been even impossible to think this man could become president but he did! racism and fundamentalism dosnt disappear in one night, thosr things take time buddy.

And fear sex is out of control and drugs even smoking some weed is grave sin.The US goverment promotes the church and morals and think people are too stupid and need big government.

extreme conservative are assole but with time they will completly disappear.
they can hardly talk about christian values, considering the world leader of the porn industry is america. i consider that drugs are bad, but not for religious motives. i seen too much people destroying their lives with weeds, its somehow hard to convince me that its a thing that should be legalised after what i saw.

its really hard to see a friend who was ok 2 year ago becoming a total baby beccause of all the weed he smoked. you can disagree with me but at a long term massive consumption of weed fuck with your mind. has i mentionned earlier i work with people who where massive smoker and those people where either slow or have emotional problems.

[spice756]

Under libertarian it was not exceptable for the goverment to control ,run , promote ,ban or un-ban any thing.It wa 100-free market , no laws and separation of church and state.

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yea and soon enough some dudes realised it was a mistake beccause without standards of quality people are diying.

Sorry I don't know what really was going on before and why they change that thought that they need church and state and big goverment control.

The goverment from than on promotes the church and morals that people are too stupid and need big government.

rligious fanaticism existed long before the 30s man, same goes for moral.
remember the witches burning?

Ya may be the people but in the constitution it was separation of church and state and the goverment was not promoting faith and morals.

they can hardly talk about christian values, considering the world leader of the porn industry is america. i consider that drugs are bad, but not for religious motives. i seen too much people destroying their lives with weeds, its somehow hard to convince me that its a thing that should be legalised after what i saw.

The reason why internet porn is legale is becuse the internet became popular in the mid 90's with climatr of prograssive conservatives than hardcore conservatives before the 60's sex revoution. Where even a girl in blue jeans was rebellious at that time. With growth of hippies , punks ,redcals ,left movement . sex revoution of the 60's and 70's was push for conservatives to reform to more liberal view.

Of having to allow homosexuals ,dressing sexy , sleeping with some one and not marry or having kid and not marry , divorce ,free love , and sex out of the closet .Where before sex was taboo and only to have kid and was man and women in a marriage only.


Talk to any conservatives before the 60's and they will say what that mate you what to allow a girl to dress like man and get job working in factory or being a police officer , sleeping around not marry , cross dressing or lether fetish , guys having sex with guys or girls having sex with girls, girls wearing guys clothes , girl divorces the husban , wearing formal clothes out of the house ,free love ,playboy so on They would say you are from Mars.


That was the way people thought back than .If marijuana was discovered in the 90's it would be legale it just they had from 30's to now to beet it to death that marijuana is so so evile .

The only reason drinking is legale is the prohibition open up the grounds for big organize crime and the mob and thugs that ran ramped and infiltrated the police and government.And the government could not stop the use of it like the drug war where it still there and people use it .The only reason the drug war is still NOT legale is that drinking was more popular and so had more impact than drug war.If drugs where popular like drinking it would be legale do to organize crime and government could not stop it.

Smoking is only legale becuse it was popular and not viewed has vice or bad .But in late 90s the link to cancer made panic and long with the youth smoking made it go from okay to taboo.I remember when I was teen people use to smoke at the mall ,airport and in government buildings and fast food places.

its really hard to see a friend who was ok 2 year ago becoming a total baby beccause of all the weed he smoked. you can disagree with me but at a long term massive consumption of weed fuck with your mind. has i mentionned earlier i work with people who where massive smoker and those people where either slow or have emotional problems.

What do you mean by total baby ?

[danyboy27]

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What do you mean by total baby ?

i should have said vegetable. the guy became slow, numb, apathic. it was sad to see.

[Pogue]

yeh weed turns you into a bit of a plank.

[Jazzratt]

Actually the only evidence I've heard about cannabis causing significant drops in mental acuity has been anecdotal stuff, usually from people who have pre-existing worries (no matter how unfounded, see the Daily Mail mentality) or are clasping at straws for reasons that their friends behavioural changes. Admiteddly danyboy's baby/vegetable story is the most extreme one I've ever heard I find it incredibly hard to believe that cannabis, not having been proven to cause that kind of thing, has anything more than a correlative relationship with this.

Articles like this really offer insights into the half-truths and propaganda surrounding marijuana and its use.

That said it's obvious that continual, heavy use probably won't do you many favours. But the same can be said of anything with an effect on your brain chemistry, especially alcohol which seems to me far more likely to screw your head up. I hate to generalise my experiences or sound like a hippy but I've seen more sense come from someone who has been high than someone who is drunk (although that said I've seen more sense from someone sober than either of those, for obvious reasons).

Anyway. No. Cannabis doesn't "turn you into a bit of a plank" or make you a vegetable. It doesn't drive you nuts (unless you are in a statistically small group within people with a predisposition to going bannanas anyway). It doesn't make you a cannabalistic pervert. You are not living in the world that "Reefer Madness" is based on.

[danyboy27]

well then, i must be verry unlucky.

i would like to see more studies being made on canabis tho.

i am really interrested about the other application, ranging from anti-acnee medecine to painkiller pills.

i am verry biaised toward drugs i must admit it. i come from a verry poor social background and without my education i would have felt into it like the rest of my neigborhood..

i am not really against legalisation but i consider that if you need drug to live something wrong with you.

hell i even stopped cafeine beccause it was messing with my head.

[spice756]

It propaganda smoking pot gives you lung cancer and makes your IQ lower ? You become slow and short term memory is bad.

It conservative propaganda ?

I don't know what all is true or not.

[Bud Struggle]

The thing is that in a Communist (Socialist) society we are all (or will be) workers. And there is a specific meaning to that word. We ALL work to make society run--each person does his work to make society function and then each earns his/her living. There is no place for people taking drugs. There is no place for anyone to slack. Each person has to do his part and do the work required.

This is what will be REQUIRED under Communism. Each person doing his part. Nothing less. If there will be no bourgeoise slackers there certainly will be no Proletarian slackers.

So sorry--no drugs, Comrades.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

I have found that continued use of cannabis does cause some people to become dopey as fuck and a few to become mental. I personally only smoke it socially and always regret it (I get a horrible paranoid feel and feel like im sweating even though im not). I still think though that it is up to each individual to decide if he is up to the health risks in return for the fun of it.

[spice756]

That not what true communism is.



Communism classless and stateless society based on common ownership and control of the means of production and property in general by the people not the state.There is no state , goverment
communism is for workers to take control of the factories and business and to manage the economy democratically.They would slowly bring all of the tools of production under their control, until a classless and stateless society was created.

I. Nothing in society will belong to anyone, either as a personal possession or as capital goods, except the things for which the person has immediate use, for either his needs, his pleasures, or his daily work.
II. Every citizen will be a public man, sustained by, supported by, and occupied at the public expense.

III. Every citizen will make his particular contribution to the activities of the community according to his capacity, his talent and his age; it is on this basis that his duties will be determined, in conformity with the distributive laws

To each according to his contribution is considered by Marxists and other socialists as a characteristic of society directly following the transition to communism. This essentially means that people are rewarded based on the amount they contribute to the social product
What he has given to it is his individual quantum of labor. For example, the social working day consists of the sum of the individual hours of work; the individual labor time of the individual producer is the part of the social working day contributed by him, his share in it. He receives a certificate from society that he has furnished such-and-such an amount of labor (after deducting his labor for the common funds); and with this certificate, he draws from the social stock of means of consumption as much as the same amount of labor cost. The same amount of labor which he has given to society in one form, he receives back in another.

Here, obviously, the same principle prevails as that which regulates the exchange of commodities, as far as this is exchange of equal values. Content and form are changed, because under the altered circumstances no one can give anything except his labor, and because, on the other hand, nothing can pass to the ownership of individuals, except individual means of consumption. But as far as the distribution of the latter among the individual producers is concerned, the same principle prevails as in the exchange of commodity equivalents: a given amount of labor in one form is exchanged for an equal amount of labor in another form.

This means the more you work or put in the more you get.

The means of production are no longer the private property of individuals. The means of production belong to the whole of society. Every member of society, performing a certain part of the socially-necessary work, receives a certificate from society to the effect that he has done a certain amount of work. And with this certificate he receives from the public store of consumer goods a corresponding quantity of products. After a deduction is made of the amount of labor which goes to the public fund, every worker, therefore, receives from society as much as he has given to it.
From each according to his ability, to each according to his work, the distribution of life's goods in proportion to the quantity and quality of individual labor.

[dubaba]

The thing is that in a Communist (Socialist) society we are all (or will be) workers. And there is a specific meaning to that word. We ALL work to make society run--each person does his work to make society function and then each earns his/her living. There is no place for people taking drugs. There is no place for anyone to slack. Each person has to do his part and do the work required.

This is what will be REQUIRED under Communism. Each person doing his part. Nothing less. If there will be no bourgeoise slackers there certainly will be no Proletarian slackers.

So sorry--no drugs, Comrades.

A state that doesn't accept some slacking isn't going to be very appealing to the working man. We dont need the government telling us what to do with are own body. As long as people are still working they should be able to do what they want on there own time.

Although some drugs do cause bad problems drugs like marijuana and some psychedelics have minimal bad side effects if used intelligently and moderately.

[Bud Struggle]

A state that doesn't accept some slacking isn't going to be very appealing to the working man.

I honestly think quite the opposite. If I am going to work my butt off for the people--I will expect everyone else to do the same. I don't think slackers will be tolerated even slightly under Communism or Anarchism like they are under Capitalism.

We ALL have to do our share.

[dubaba]

I honestly think quite the opposite. If I am going to work my butt off for the people--I will expect everyone else to do the same. I don't think slackers will be tolerated even slightly under Communism or Anarchism like they are under Capitalism.

We ALL have to do our share.

I agree but the truth is not everyone will work up to your or my expectations.

[spice756]

wow Posts: 4,538 and you still think Communism has a state ,laws , rules thanks for having fox or CNN explain what Communism is .But proper Communism has no laws ,court ,rules or state.

And you seem to not grasp the concept that people are not the same or equel that is modern liberals and socialist go back and read the communist manifesto.I quoted above the more one work one put in the more one get .If you work every day you going get more than one that work only 2 times a weak.

No where does it say everyone get the same house ,car and money that is modern liberals and socialist.In the USSR they where very harsh on the lumpenproletariat .To point that people would not allow that to happen today.

[Bud Struggle]

wow Posts: 4,538 and you still think Communism has a state ,laws , rules thanks for having fox or CNN explain what Communism is .But proper Communism has no laws ,court ,rules or state.

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