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Motivating People To Work
Since in a communist society everyone will be taken care of how will you motivate people to work? Since there is no rewards like money and so on how will you get people to work other then ask them to?
2+2=4
WHY kléber, WHY!!!!!!!
You didn't hear????........... They're going to make the work "fun."
They get a bullet to the head if they don't work.
Can we pretend that planes in the night sky are actually shooting stars, I could really use a wish right now - V.I. Lenin
That's right. "he who does not work shall be shot" - Lenin
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Nah, bro. We are gonna get rid of work.
The defeat of the revolutionary movement was not, as Stalinists always complain, due to its lack of unity. It was defeated because the civil war within its ranks was not worked out with enough force. The crippling effects of the systematic confusion between hostis and enemy are self-evident, whether it be the tragedy of the Soviet Union or the groupuscular comedy.
formerly Species Being
Because I don't think we should be spending our time producing things we don't need or want?
The defeat of the revolutionary movement was not, as Stalinists always complain, due to its lack of unity. It was defeated because the civil war within its ranks was not worked out with enough force. The crippling effects of the systematic confusion between hostis and enemy are self-evident, whether it be the tragedy of the Soviet Union or the groupuscular comedy.
formerly Species Being
Because despite what you think, most people want to contribute to make their society better - plus yes quite simplywork would be fun?
Why shouldn't work be fun, if you're doing what you want to do?
I don't know what this crap about "abolishing work" isbut it's nothing to do with communism. Work will always need to be done by someone, to some level, sure we would put machines in place to automate as much as possible (probably a lot more than is currently done now), but ultimately there will always be some need for workers of some kind.
Plus, good and flexible work that didn't exist before should go up by far, the traditional job of being a policeman for instance, can be replaced with communities patrolling themselves with people everyone trusts. Taking turns in doing that and other things could be possible with community agreements, the whole thing will be flexible and not based on how much 'value' your labour is worth.
working is also a good intellectual stimulus. my neighbor is a retired mechanics and just cant stop working, without having something to fix this man would go nuts.
WHY kléber, WHY!!!!!!!
simply our attitudes towards work and how we define work itself will change. Without the limits put in place by scarcity planning, there will be an onus to develop abundancy planning means never realised under capitalism. Such bounds forward will enable us to remove humans from the fields of work classed as 'bad jobs'.
Yeah, most people want to do things and chase their interests, but most people are also forced to spend 8 and more hours (when you think about commute time and all the other time we have to spend just preparing to go to work) doing something for the enrichment of someone else.
Why don't rich people simply stop working once they've made enough money for the rest of their lives - some retire, but then they continue to follow activities that they want to do.
"Laziness" exists in our current society just as the desire to flee plantations was a common sentiment among black slaves:
I often collect signatures for petitions and for things I am organizing and I do this for free because I believe in the cause and it is part of building something bigger. However, unless someone was to offer me a 6 figure income, I would never never never want to work collecting signatures for one of those companies that are hired to collect signature - even if they assured me it would only be for progressive causes.Originally Posted by Wikipedia
Good idea. What shall we call these people?
Okay. By whom?
Last edited by Robert; 12th September 2009 at 21:49.
[QUOTE=Robert;1544430]Good idea. What shall we call these people?
Police if you really want, or you can make it really long like "volunteer community patrol police" although it seems kind of smarter to call it community patrols.
Workers?
Yes, I really want. Thank you.
Correct. Now we're getting somewhere. (But note that one of your comrades imagines there will be no work ... whatever.) I want to "work" in the air conditioning, writing mystery novels and instruction manuals for X-boxes, and you want to study Chinese and bake bread. Nobody wants to pick tomatoes in the hot sun.Workers?
But the tomatoes are ripening fast. Somebody picks them or they rot and we starve. Now what?
I say that if the public (the market) doesn't like my books and there is nothing else for me to do, that I should go and do the picking or something equally beneficial to the community. It seems to me that either a dictator, a bureaucracy, or the market should decide whether I stay home and write or get to picking. Which of those sound best to you? Is there a 4th alternative?
I'm sure you do want an awesome force policing you, they probably wouldn't like you much however, a real community patrolling force in a communist society.
Then the community will come to a consensus as to who'll pick the tomatoes.
What a weird scenario. I've never heard of survival on just tomatoes in many places, you do know food would be kind of fairly distributed in a communist society right?
You're a funny guy, 'the public' tell you what to do at work? No your boss does. Do bosses get even half of everything right in terms of enforcing what the public wants from workers? No, we know that workers hate bosses because they talk and do shit. Do the bourgeois above the petit-bourgeois ask the workers' bosses to enforce what the public wants?
Nope.
Is that the key question and answer? Yes.
Tomatoes were an example. I was hoping you would extrapolate.
Thanks, I think.
No comprendo.
Oh. Well, they shouldn't talk or do shit.
Yes, though they often misread what the public wants. Sooner or later they get the message or go out of biz. Too often the government interferes by propping up impending failures like GM.
Actually I have mixed feelings about the GM problem. Chrysler got a huge taxpayer backed loan in '79 and paid it all back with interest by '83. http://uspolitics.about.com/od/econo...lerBailout.htm
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That's right, too often they misread what the public wants, sooner or later is not often enough and simply not good enough for the proletariat. That's why we must overthrow the government.
What the proletariat wants is simply not what capitalists ask/force the proletariat to produce.
I'll pass.
You can't honestly believe that. Capitalists live to determine "what the proletariat wants."
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convincing me that capitalists manipulate tastes. Is that what you mean?
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