Thread: The slaves of the empire... - How to make our freedom dream

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    Hello, after all, remember about my bad argentinian english...

    Well, what to do? Latin America is suffering one of the worst crisis in his history. The last time that the people were so opressed, were in the time of the colony.
    Now the empire is not spanish, or portuguese, not even english. Now the empire is a global economic model, with headquarters in north America.
    We, the slaves of the empire, make shure the good living of the emperators. EE.UU., and some other countries from Europe, make their educational sistems realy good, their hospitals better than every hospitals in, for example, Argentina or Bolivia.
    Now, the questions are the next:
    Who pays all that luxury? Is the people getting weaker with the time? Why this economic model is not collapsing when it make lot of social margination?
    I just know the answer of one of that questions...
    Most of you don't know what is to walk in Corrientes street at 2 a.m., and see the people looking for food in tha garbage, sleeping on the street, hear the cry of the little children...
    And, when I see and hear that things... I can't hold on the tears, and ask myself if the people who makes all that, can sleep well knowing it...
    The answer is clear... of course they can.

    Bye...

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    \"... y comprendió que la guerra, era la paz del futuro: lo más terrible se aprende enseguida y lo hermoso nos cuesta la vida...\"- Silvio Rodriguez
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    I know what it is, Camilo. (Walking down Corrientes Av.)

    But, I still have hope in Latin America getting rid of the imperialist bastards of the north. See what's going on in Bolivia with Evo Morales, Venezuela with Chávez, Brazil and Lula da Silva, Mexico and Marcos, Lucio Guitérrez in Ecuador, is not thta bad after all. I think we should work hard to strnghten the Mercosur against the Free Trade shitty treaty.

    I'm very sad about our beloved nation because it IS a GREAT country and we don't need their shit to survive.

    Now, off-topic: check http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...um=19&topic=346
    when you have some time.
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    Fuck the entire capitalist system, thanks to it and most of the corrupt politicians we are fuck all over south America, I can say that we the citizens are sometimes really stupid, A great example is the New Bolivian president, He is a fucking white American non speaking Spanish bastard! Why in the fuck people choose a guy like him, president Gonzalo Sanchez de Lozada is a fucking imperialist bastard! He sold half of most Bolivian companies to foreign countries like Chile, What in the fuck is that? I hate this guy. That is why Latin American countries have to get rid of fucking Democracy backed by the USA! Fuck all the politician and the social classes! Que viva la nueva patria inspirada por una causa digna como la de Che guevara!!!
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    Hey!! I guessed!! You are Evo Morales, Latin America, don't tell me u are not! :wink:

    Yes Sánchez de Losada sucks.

    (Edited by Larissa at 10:03 pm on Feb. 9, 2003)
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    I would love to Larrisa but I am not, sorry! What do you know about Evo Morales Larrisa? I know most of his History but I would love to read some words about you knowledge about him!
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    I have never been to a Latin American country, but I still feel your pain. My dad is jobless and I am only 17, so I can't get a job making more than slightly over minumum wage to support my family. I am also still in school. My family is not in bad shape and I am thankful for that, but I understand it must be ten times worse in some Latin American countries. New movements need to be sparked. New revolutions led by a new generation of revolutionaries. Are any such things happening right now...will they? By the way Camilo, good choice of a name. He was great in the Cuban Revolution, and I love the fact that he was a baseball player! I say that the MLB should let Cuba have a team. Los Comrades Cubanos. Their logo could be Che, lol. I guess that would be a little to capatalistic, but I'd love to see a Cuban team stomp some USA teams like the Yankees! Ok, sorry about all the baseball talk.
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    >CheViveToday:"By the way Camilo, good choice of a name."<

    I'm not agree! First when I came here I wanted to get nick "Ernesto Che Guevara", but I understood that there are a lot of people that wants to, but they don't do so...SO, I NAMED BY MY SECOND NICK(my real name)!!!
    Yes, Camilo was great revolutioneer, but it doesn't meen, that, that guy must take this name!!!

    About topic: Yes, this is a sirious problem! I think, that only new revolution can stop this!!!
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    Sometime I feel so weak and little when I see all this shit happening in south America, I mean come on people; you can see our brother and sisters looking for food in the garbage!, What in the fuck is up with these governments?. Sometime I get so pist off with the situation in today sociaty, these fucking Imperialist some day will pay for all these shit that done with to the people,us. I also think and say that We are the ones that can do a difference!, we should be the one spreading and teaching other people about these problems and soon come out with a solution, It seems imposible but it is true we are the one that have to make the difference! We are the ones living in this world but if we don't do something Who in the hell is going to do it? I just think that someday, some how thing are going to get better and I will be very honored to be there!!! Que viva la patria!!! Que viva el che!!!
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    Actually, we can keep struggling hard, like Evo for instance. Take it as a compliment Latin America, you deserve it. (BTW, are you Antonio Peredo?)

    As I said before, it's really a good thing to have Lula in Brazil, Lucio Gutiérrez in Ecuador, Chávez in Venezuela, Evo and the cocaleros in Bolivia (A very important movement and party - MAS), Marcos in Mexico and of course, Fidel in Cuba!

    Latin America will always fight against the imperialist oppression. We won't give up. And many ppl support our cause because it's a common cause. So, I personally thank ppl like KAptian Andrew and CheViveToday for their unconditional support.

    A victory achieved in one country is a victory for everyone, for socialism in any sinlg place of the world! Let's keep fighting for what we believe in!

    HLVS!
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    I think that the revolution won't be made in Latin America coutry by country.
    I'm now reading a book called "Empire"(Imperio), is very good, talk about the word isn't (Please Larissa translate Imperialismo), now is empire. And isn' like the old empires used to be. Before, many year ago, the empires used to have power in a reduced geographic space (Egipt, Rome, Greeks) but now we are fighting against a global menace, then the weapons to use, must be global.
    What are they trying to say? Easy, you can't make any difference fighting in some different points, we have to make a world front to defeat this global enemy.
    Is very interesting, I didn't end this book yet, but I'm working on it.

    Abrazos Fraternales.
    \"... y comprendió que la guerra, era la paz del futuro: lo más terrible se aprende enseguida y lo hermoso nos cuesta la vida...\"- Silvio Rodriguez
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    Quote: from Camilo Cienfuegos on 3:17 pm on Feb. 10, 2003
    I think that the revolution won't be made in Latin America coutry by country.
    I'm now reading a book called "Empire"(Imperio), is very good, talk about the word isn't (Please Larissa translate Imperialismo), now is empire. And isn' like the old empires used to be. Before, many year ago, the empires used to have power in a reduced geographic space (Egipt, Rome, Greeks) but now we are fighting against a global menace, then the weapons to use, must be global.
    What are they trying to say? Easy, you can't make any difference fighting in some different points, we have to make a world front to defeat this global enemy.
    Is very interesting, I didn't end this book yet, but I'm working on it.

    Abrazos Fraternales.
    Imperialism
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    I feel proud to be around people like you camaradas! We all have the same Ideals and we all dream with a better society! We must always think positive, believe it or not sometimes I pray for thing to get better in South America and I just hope for them not to get worst. Que viva la patria inspirada por una causa digna como la de Che guevara!!!
    BTW, Tampoco soy Antonio Peredo pichoncita!


    (Edited by Latin America at 2:56 am on Feb. 11, 2003)
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    One of the reasons I am trying so hard in Spanish class is so I can become fluent. That will make it easier when I travel later in life, and perhaps even become part of a movement down there. There is a foreign exchange student living with my friend, and he's from Mexico. I talk to him about Che all the time. He is a big fan of Che. It is very interesting to me....
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    Leave Ohio and come to live to Latin America with us CheViveToday!

    (I used to live in Ann Arbor, MI) :wink:

    Latin America is just a great place to live in!!!

    Now, my dear "Latin America" comrade, as long as you are not a "Sanchez de Losada" spy, it's ok whoever you are. Let me tell you that Che's death in Bolivia has a strong meaning...Bolivia has come a long way since then and I admire Evo Morales and Antonio Peredo, and of course, Loyola Guzmán Lara who actually fought with Che in Bolivia back in 1967, and still fights for a far better world.

    Let's keep the fight, stand united and strenghten our socialist brotherhood.



    (Edited by Larissa at 3:17 pm on Feb. 11, 2003)
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    WHAT Larrisa? I hate this fucking non speaking Spanish bastard Sanchez de Lozada! How could you even think about that pichoncita!!! Basically he sold Bolivia to foreign countries by selling the companies! I like Evo Morales but if he wasn’t so in to the coca leaf business, he will have my full approval. Most Bolivian peasant use the Coca leaf as medicine and there are also acres of coca leaf planted legally by the Bolivia government, but there are people that uses the coca leaf to make drugs and Evo was involve in one of those riots. One of the biggest problems over in Bolivia is drugs, 1/3 of the worlds cocaine comes from Bolivia and you know what is the funny thing; the coca plant growths by it self you don’t need to plant it, for example when you go to Chapare a turistic place near Cochabamba-Bolivia Up in the hills where not to many people walk by You can find acres of Coca plants! The Bolivian army goes there to get rid of the plants! I think Evo should not get involve in the coca bussines that much! He is a good man by the way Larrisa!!!
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    Thanks Latin America. And excuse for my ignorance, I didn't know that coca plants just grew up with no need to plant them. BTW, the US press is always blaming the coca peasents in Bolbivia and Colombia to support with their business (??) the guerrillas... i think peasents don't get "that" much participation ot}f the drug cartel's market share to financially support a guerrilla.

    Last, the higher coca consumers are US citizens, so?

    Who's paying for it? Not the peasents certainly :-)
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    Wish I was smart enough to reply... God only knows what you are talking about. Maybe if I stay here long enough I will learn what you are all about.
    \"If it looks like a duck and acts like a duck, it is a duck.\"
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    I apologize for my country's habit of blaming other countries for OUR drug problems. Sure the drugs often come from Latin American countries, but it's the fault of the people buying it here. If people want to do drugs they should let them anyways. It's madness.
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    Quote: from CheViveToday on 8:58 pm on Feb. 11, 2003
    I apologize for my country's habit of blaming other countries for OUR drug problems. Sure the drugs often come from Latin American countries, but it's the fault of the people buying it here. If people want to do drugs they should let them anyways. It's madness.
    I didn't mean to offend you CheViveToday...actually, americans are not the only ones who buy drugs from Latin american countries... :smile:
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    Quote: from mic check on 5:57 pm on Feb. 11, 2003
    Wish I was smart enough to reply... God only knows what you are talking about. Maybe if I stay here long enough I will learn what you are all about.
    So, you are new here! Welcome comrade, and enjoy this forum...a bit weird sometimes, but good enough for everyone. I'm not really sure if you will actually learn something else or if you will just become insane here :biggrin: kidding...read, think and post what you feel like to.

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