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what is the difference between camus' and sartre's philosophies? i know that their friendship broke up because of sartre's ventures into (left leaning) politics. so what's the fundamental difference between sarte's existentialism and camus' existentialism (even though he said he wasn't an existentialist) that lead to this division?
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There were a lot of minor differences, that which Camus could not reconcile with Sarte.
\"Revolutions are dreamt up by intellectuals but their aims are so unrealistic they\'ll stoop to drastic measures. Following the revolution the worthy passions for rebirth are swallowed up by bureaucracy and mediocrity. Intellectuals dislike this so they
i heard somewhere that it happened because Camus believed in personal rebellion rather than political reebellion as Sartre did.
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Camus believed in the human spirit oppossed to history as with Marx and the socialists of the time.
\"Revolutions are dreamt up by intellectuals but their aims are so unrealistic they\'ll stoop to drastic measures. Following the revolution the worthy passions for rebirth are swallowed up by bureaucracy and mediocrity. Intellectuals dislike this so they
Camus also criticized Material Dialectics while Sartre upheld it. There is no giant difference between the two, its really minor. You would have to get into both there works very deeply to pinpoint the specific differences. I'm sure someone like peace or vox would know..
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Who cares?? Why does there need to be competition?? They are both fucking incredible authors. I think they can coexist somehow...
EDIT: Sorry I read the title and not the post. The fundamental difference between the two is Sartre's pro-Sovietism. Camus was leftist but he refused to support the USSR, which is where they differed.
(Edited by guerrillaradio at 10:43 pm on June 28, 2002)
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Yes, it would help if you read the whole question.
\"Revolutions are dreamt up by intellectuals but their aims are so unrealistic they\'ll stoop to drastic measures. Following the revolution the worthy passions for rebirth are swallowed up by bureaucracy and mediocrity. Intellectuals dislike this so they
Well, the obvious political differences have been mentioned already, so I would only add that Sartre seems to be more foundational to existentialism, more thinker than writer. He's more of the 'this is what it means to exist.' While Camus is more experiential, more of a 'this is what it feels like to exist.'
Both are great, picking up on many of the same themes. I will say however that Camus is much more readable and memorable. While not being overly diagnostic, Camus- for me- says it the best.
"If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom and yet depreciate agitation, are people who want crops without ploughing the ground; they want rain without thunder and lightning; they want the ocean without the roar of
i guess what i'm trying to say is this: both are regarded as existentialists, so what fundemental difference is there in the way they interperet or present existentailism that leads to their opposing views? or is there a fundamental difference difference?
(by the way, i appreciate the responses)
(Edited by pce at 2:12 pm on July 2, 2002)
\"One murder makes a villain...millions a hero. Numbers sanctify, my friend.\" -Charlie Chaplin
Good atleast someone sees them both as existensialists. In another post my comment of Camus being existential was dismissed.
I don't read Sartre. I wallow in the poignancy of it. It's the only truth to me.
I read that Sartre had written off existentialism as a "minor philosophy" when he stumbled upon and converted to the major philosophy of Marxism. "Marxism is the inescapable philosophy of our time." - The Critique of Dialetical Reason
(Edited by Paris at 3:28 am on July 2, 2002)
I just ordered The Absurds (The Stranger, The Myth of Sisyphus and The Plague) so that I can have them in my library at home.
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I've never treid Sartre, maybe soon. I'm going to France so i might get it in french. I treid camus' l'etranger (the outsider) in french but it was a bit hard. I read it in english and it's not easy that way either but i did enjoy it. The plague is harder, I find his detached style difficult to read cos I don't really care about the characters so I don't want to read on, but I guess that's the point. can someone give me good ideas of what sartre i should read, I don't want anything to hard to start with.
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well right now im reading the anti-semite and jew, maybe someone could fill me in on a little history about sartre, cuz im a little confused by what i read...
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Read La Nausee (Nausea). Generally speaking, his pre-war books are apolitical, but his post-war books are very political.
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To begin, Camus was not an existentialist, he was an absurdist, he rejected the category his whole life- after his untimely death, his widow and two daughters just as fervently did the same.
Part of the problem is that the term 'existentialism' itself has fallen prey to over half a century of misuse and misapplication- originally meant as a signifier to denote certain branch of phenomenology that concerned itself with what it means for human consciousness, to exist in the world- to be, the word has become so bloated that it now exists more as an adjective than a noun- something is existential (or, more often, like, so existential...) But as a specific approach (if not a doctrine) to philosophy it was inimical to Camus, who saw uses in some of it, but was far more of a philosophical dilettante than Sartre. Camus was always a writer first.
Mainly, after WWII, Sartre realized that there is no such thing as being 'apolitical,' even non-action against (and resignation to) the powers that be constitutes a political stance. Camus didn't share this view, in its entirety... So yes, a good deal of their break was due to political differences. Such as in their difference of opinion as to what should happen in Camus' homeland, Algeria.
Also, yes, Camus was resistant to any over-arching philosophical doctrine- ie Marxism, while sartre saw it as the future of thought, the humanism that could save humanity- and in so doing tried to work his own 'existentialism ' into it. Thus the critique of dialectical reason...
I'm being far too bare bones here, forgive me, any paid faculty...
There may also have been a certain jealousy (perhaps) on Sartre's side, as Camus rapidly became a celebrity- especially as Sartre didn't think to much of Camus, philosophically (and perhaps with good reason)- he liked Camus as, "...an Algerian punk, a wise-ass..." but felt that he became too pompous, later on, a caricature.
I also think that, given their natures, the town wasn't bid enough for the two of them. At any rate- Two good resources are John Gerassi's bio of Sartre (Sartre's official biography- and at less than 200 pages a rather quick read, given the voluminous amount of material). The Camus bio by Olivier also sheds a good deal of light- be warned though, both books tend to take the side of their subject- though I think Gerassi (because he is so critical of Sartre, throughout) is a better and more honest presentation. Look around online for interviews with either figure- or their family members- I'm sure it comes up in interviews. Sorry this is so long.
