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    What would be if Che were still alive and Fidel Castro would have been killed? It's a question I'm thinking about for quite a long time and I'm interested in your opinions!!!
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    I don't understand you!

    You mean CHE could kill Fidel ?!?!?! )-:
    Or what?
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    No of course not!!! Just imagine: Fidel was killed in Bolivia instead of Che, and Che at present rules Cuba instead of Fidel. What would be the same? What would be different?
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    In my VERY PERSONAL opinion, Che would have achieved a "better" Socialism. On the other hand, Fidel would have never fought in Bolivia, Congo, or elsewhere because he is the man who works in the "politics & diplomacy arenas", while Che was the man behind the armed action.

    Some people think that Fidel betrayed Che favoruing the USSR (who wanted to get rid of Che). I think Fidel and Che where both aware that despite they might have different points of view, they had to stand together in order to achieve the socialist revolution in Latin America.

    Fidel has successfully managed to "deal" socialism's way even with his worst enemies. Che, although he was more inteligent, was not so diplomatic as to "deal" in terms of making certain "concessions".

    I've been to Cuba, and I was suprised to see a Socialist country who receives in certain way the "influence" of capitalism (mostly through international tourism). But I guess that's unavoidable.

    I think "Che's Cuba" could (perhaps) have been less contaminated by capitalism than it is today.

    However, I support Fidel and I think he did a great job considering he never had any support or resources of any kind (and less of all after the USSR fell) and still, he kept socialism alive.

    I only think Che might have done a better job.
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    In which country is it actually legal to import cuban cigars?? are there many/less countries importing cuban cigars, and is it the most wanted export product??
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    just asking...
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    Che was/is as necessary as Fidel.

    As Larissa stated, each one in its own field is (or was if regarding Che) really competent, and maybe nobody else could be as good as to replace them in such subjects.

    Sometimes Che makes me remember Pancho Villa, who once in a while had to avoid or at least control his emotions at the moment, so to reach the immediate -or not so immediate- goals. Fidel is a much more "cold" or "calculating" individual than Che was, and this is ALSO necessary to generate the proper social atmosphere towards socialism, and keep it running.

    Indeed, Cuba is still standing, partially because of it...


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    i think altough che might have been a greater leader he would have made the US/cia nervous... and we know how unreasoned a (conservative) us president can react...
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    ...in fidel's cuba (never been there) i think communism is still alive... but not kickin' , i'm afraid ;-(
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    Quote: from Show me the Money on 7:15 pm on Jan. 9, 2003
    In which country is it actually legal to import cuban cigars?? are there many/less countries importing cuban cigars, and is it the most wanted export product??
    In Argentina, the most important cigar importer is Juan Martin Guevara, Che's youngest brother.
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    Is communism in Cuba going to survive a post-Fidel government?? or will it fall into hibernation/or die ... to be replaced by a new, more economic dependant system(capitalism)??
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    are there many countries importing cuban cigars, by your knowledge, or is it more widely boycotted (i only know it is illegal in in most pro-American countries)??
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    i did know that of his brother, though.
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    Here in Brazil we have lots of Cuban ciggars....
    They're good.
    But those pure Habana are lot expensive!

    Montecristo is really, realy expensive!

    Romeo Y Juliet not so... They're good too...
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    This is a hypothetical question about Che and Fidel trading places.
    Because most of us here are fond of Che we would easily say that he would be a better leader and keep the ideology alive , but we will never know .
    Nevertheless in my personal opinion Che was a more sensitive and tender person (in his toughness and wildness ) than Fidel and maybe he could fall into mistakes . Also keeping the leadership of a country all this years is very dificult and soul-destroying , it needs diplomacy and Che was very sincere with his feelings , remember USSR visit . Che was not a politic ( in the way we mean the politic today ) , he had a difficult time when he was a minister . People like Che could never become presidents .
    I'd say that we have to face the facts as they are and not as we would want them to be .
    Don't forget that Che's dream was to go fight and help his beloved country , Argentina ( who today pass a very dificult period) .

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    I do very much agree that Che would have made a better leader ; but, we'll never know
    "An oppressed class which does not strive to learn to use arms, to acquire arms, only deserves to be treated like slaves. We cannot, unless we have become bourgeois pacifists or opportunists, forget that we are living in a class society from which there is no way out, nor can there be, save through the class struggle. In every class society, whether based on slavery, serfdom, or, as at present, wage-labor, the oppressor class is always armed."

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    No, many, many countries allow/import cuban cigars.
    I believe it is only countries basicly being controlled by the U.S. (Porta Rico etc.) that don't allow them.
    I know this because I live in Canada where the goverment's position is very pro-yankee, but the people have more american jokes than any other kind .
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    Comrade "show me the money", has anyone told you that you got a stupid avatar!?

    Promitheas, I agree with your opinion!
    But let's look to the "Eyes of the True": Kastro is DICTATOR!!! And most part of cubinians are trying to run out from Cuba!!!

    And another thing: Of course I don't want Kastro's death, but let's look to the "Eyes of the True", he is very old...and some day a new dictator will be a "president" of Cuba.....I fell a new revolution...may be after 10...20...30 years, but something must happen...
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    are we going to talk about cigars now?!!! I also think that there will be a new revolution in Cuba someday, maybe as well as in China. Che would be nearly 75 now, Fidel is two years older.. times will change
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