how is this not discrimination
or are you pro-discrimination
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french muslim women forbidden to go to the pool beccause of her burkini
discrimination or strict application of the pool rules? you choose.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8197917.stm
Personally i think it was a right move, i believe exceptions should be made for those suffering special physical conditions like for exemple skin disease.
WHY kléber, WHY!!!!!!!
how is this not discrimination
or are you pro-discrimination
If you don't like watching women bath with those suits and/or watch people bath with skin disease, then look away.
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What a ridiculous outfit. Even Victorian bathing suits showed more skin. What's the point in going swimming if you're going to wear pretty much the exact same thing you wear when not?
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Goddamn, France. Why are you so dumb
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As the article said--it's a health issue. The lady is using the pool as a washing machine for her clothes. The same rule of no swimming with clothes on applies to everyone.
What a frankly ridiculous thing to say. If you wear so much as a speedo to the pool, guess what? You're guilty of using the pool as a washing machine for your clothes.
We should take our swimming suits then, we wouldn't want to use the pool as a washing machine for our swimming suits.
We should take our bodies away too. God knows where that filthy people have been around naked in their own flesh
Seriously Bud, that's why its a burkini. It's supposed to only be used to take a bath. She has burkas for casual wear.
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Well then the less the better. Besides the law says no swimming with clothes on--the fact that the clothes have some sort of fancy name doesn't make them any less "clothes."
Do you really expect French pool attendants to follow the exotic swimwear fashions of Dubai?Originally Posted by Hayenmill
She's an attention whore--nothing more.
Baths are for washing yourself, not lying in fully clothed.
Why Dubai? The woman is French.
She's not an attention whore, shes just taking her religion too far. The Koran says nothing about bathing suits, and I bet plenty of Muslim women who wear burkahs use Western bathing suits in public.
I hate to be the token anti-theist, but more important than her right to wear clothes that cover her as a symbol of subjugation, is the fact that she shouldn't have to wear such things at all. The Burka, whether tight or loose fitting, in a pool or outside of a pool has only one function and that is to mark women as different to men - different and subordinate.
What is curious about the hijab/burka/etc. is that it appears innocent until you articulate it, with what other words could you descirbe something that covers women but not men, that exists to ensure women are not exposed to males, other than sexist and misogynistic?
When women in Iran are imprisoned for 'inproper' veiling by the Pardaran and feminists in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Kashmir are greeted with acid to their faces when they mobilise for secularism and against veiling, this story is an afront to those people. The left has for too long defended and often tailed backward religious ideas, nobody here should be defending this.
That's where she bought the thing.
And:I agree here. I think the entire thing smacks of sexism.Originally Posted by h0m0revolutionary
Because it has to do with their religious beliefs douche bag.
The fact is this has nothing to do with sanitation or whatever. France is an extreamly racist and discriminatory country, this is'nt the first time muslims have been attacked legally in france. I think its great this gets attention, THIS is real racism (religious descrimination actually), much worse than some comedian loosing his temper and calling a black heckler a nigger, which gets a bunch of attention.
What do pool attendants have to do with what bathingsuits people wear?
No, but we DO defend peoples rights to practice their own religion and we do not defend racist or discriminatory laws, even against religions we consider backward.
This has nothing to do with theism or anti-theism. She is CHOOSING to wear this thing, in this case. People should have that right.
Its a swimming pool.
This is just another case of France being discriminatory and racist.
What a load of crap. Many Muslim women wear the hijab of their own volition, and they should be allowed to do so. It's a piece of clothing. I know many well educated and very independent Muslim women who wear the hijab. If I were to suggest they were being suppressed by men, I'd get slapped across the face. In fact it's becoming a mixed fashion and political statement. Muslim women who have never before worn the hijab have taken to wearing it as a show of defiance against the racist and Islamophobic governments in Europe. That's what the demonization of Muslim people has achieved; an increased interest among the Muslim population in their faith. I laugh because I know the governments and media would get better results if they just shut the fuck up about it.
We have a controversial (Derided for speaking out against the occupation of Iraq, and the right of the Iraqi people to self defence) Muslim leftist social worker and politician in this country. She wears the hijab (much derided for this as well of course) and was asked what she thought of Iranian "forced hijab". She answered that if she lived in Iran she, as a show of defiance against the Iranian government, probably wouldn't wear the hijab.
Now I don't care what people wear, they should be free to wear whatever the fuck they want. And that's the key point here, in Iran people are not allowed to wear what they want. That should be struggled against. In France, as civilised, modern and up to date as it's supposed to be, people are also not allowed to wear what they want. This too should be struggled against.
So in my opinion, leftists certainly should defend her right to wear what she wants. If there was a genuine problem with hygiene, then of course it should be considered. IMO, it's total bullshit. The connection between this case and the Islamophobia abound in French society is obvious.
As for the burqini or whatever the hell you want to call it, it looks perfectly fine. I remember reading an article in a bourgeois newspaper about a female Muslim lifeguard who was wearing the same thing. It's just a swimsuit covering the whole body. Yeah it's weird, but who gives a shit how people get their kicks. You want laws against "attention whores" now?
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hoo well, i never wanted to support discrimination, its just that personally, i think religions have nothing to do in public places, and if i remember this Pool is a public place.
anyway, this is my opinion, and i am glad to hear yours.
WHY kléber, WHY!!!!!!!
Sure and some Muslim women are also talked into being suicide bombers. And there are places where Muslims bomb schools for girls and throw acid in girls faces so they don't ever try to become educated and independent.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7724505.stm
Wow the amount of white liberal chauvinism in this thread is ridiculous. Yes, burqas and hijabs in the Islamic religion is subjugation, but by banning "burkinis", it doesn't mean Muslim women are gonna start wearing Western bathing suits, since many quite devoutly follow those religious practices you're basically barring them from enjoying swimming pools. Argue against these ideas rather than just banning them, you're making life for Muslim women in the West even harder.
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What the hell is this?
Forcing someone to show more skin than they're comfortable with is as bad if not worse than stopping them from doing so.
I'm not even muslim and sometimes I wear a hijab as a symbol of defiance or just not wanting to be ogled. :/
