a question abour nihilism

[danyboy27]

is a person with no political or economical affiliation called a nihilist?

i am trying to clear this one up. what happen if you have no faith toward politics or economy at all, left or right?

[Ultra_Cheese]

I've never heard the term nihilist used that way, but I could be wrong. They're usually called apolitical.

[Havet]

Nihilism

(from the Latin nihil, nothing) is the philosophical doctrine suggesting that values do not exist but rather are falsely invented. Most commonly, nihilism is presented in the form of existential nihilism which argues that life[1] is without meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value. Moral nihilists assert that morality does not exist, and subsequently there are no moral values with which to uphold a rule or to logically prefer one action over another. Nihilism can also take an epistemological, metaphysical, or mereological form.

The term nihilism is sometimes used in association with anomie to explain the general mood of despair at a perceived pointlessness of existence that one may develop upon realizing there are no necessary norms, rules, or laws.[2] Movements such as Futurism and deconstructionism,[3] among others, have been identified by commentators as "nihilistic" at various times in various contexts. Often this means or is meant to imply that the beliefs of the accuser are more substantial or truthful, whereas the beliefs of the accused are nihilistic, and thereby comparatively amount to nothing (or are simply claimed to be destructively amoralistic).


Nihilism is also a characteristic that has been ascribed to time periods: for example, Jean Baudrillard and others have called postmodernity a nihilistic epoch,[4] and some Christian theologians and figures of religious authority have asserted that postmodernity[5] and many aspects of modernity[3] represent a rejection of theism, and that such a rejection entails some form of nihilism.

No reference to politics whatsoever, only to: moral, existential, epistemological, metaphysical and mereological nihilism.

[danyboy27]

wich mean a person not taking side in politics or economy is...

seriously i really dont have a clue.

[Havet]

wich mean a person not taking side in politics or economy is...

seriously i really dont have a clue.

Like Ultra Cheese said? Apolitical? If you don't care about politics or economy then what are you doing here, lol?

[Sasha]

[B]


No reference to politics whatsoever, only to: moral, existential, epistemological, metaphysical and mereological nihilism.

but nihilism has had a distinctly political conectation (turn of the century tsaristic rusia) and was associated with the early anarchist movement.

the nihilist manifesto "the revolutionary catechism" by nechajev has been of significant influence on anarchist who where proponents of the propaganda of the deed.

and in modern times nihilist (pop)culture does regularly also have political undertones (palunchiks "fightclub" or the joker in "the black knight")

so i would say that nihilism could be very political but no the OP is not an nihilist but just not (yet) intrested i any form of traditional politics.

[Havet]

but nihilism has had a distinctly political conectation (turn of the century tsaristic rusia) and was associated with the early anarchist movement.

the nihilist manifesto "the revolutionary catechism" by nechajev has been of significant influence on anarchist who where proponents of the propaganda of the deed.

and in modern times nihilist (pop)culture does regularly also have political undertones (palunchiks "fightclub" or the joker in "the black knight")

so i would say that nihilism could be very political but no the OP is not an nihilist but just not (yet) intrested i any form of traditional politics.

Interesting, thanks for posting this information and straightening things up.

I particularly enjoyed palunchik's Fight Club, although the first time I saw it i thought it had clear Primitivist intentions, i enjoyed the overall message that "this is your life, and its ending one minute at a time", and that we should do our best to enjoy our lives.

[danyboy27]

its not that i am not interested, i just decided that i wouldnt take side.

to me both side got valids point, but i didnt really take side, lets the best fighter win, if there is a winner one day.

i understand well why you communists are fighting, i really respect that, but i also understand why capitalists are fighthing, its less honorable but i can understand them too.

[RGacky3]

but i also understand why capitalists are fighthing, its less honorable but i can understand them too.

Capitalists arn't fighting, they are ruling.

to me both side got valids point, but i didnt really take side, lets the best fighter win, if there is a winner one day.

Capitalists having been ruling over the last couple hundred years, and now have made their rule even more entrenched. Thiis is'nt a boxing match.

[danyboy27]

Capitalists arn't fighting, they are ruling.

they are fighting, capitalist interest and comunist/socialist constantly clashes, worker want to get paid more, and bosses dont want to pay more. i call that a fight, a continous one.

Capitalists having been ruling over the last couple hundred years, and now have made their rule even more entrenched. Thiis is'nt a boxing match.

but in order to do that they constantly have to attack the left, resist to the worker strike, give some in order to take some, its a continous fight.

i believe you guy call it class war.

[RGacky3]

they are fighting, capitalist interest and comunist/socialist constantly clashes, worker want to get paid more, and bosses dont want to pay more. i call that a fight, a continous one.

Yeah I agree, but its not a fair fight, the Capitalists are fighting to keep the working down.

but in order to do that they constantly have to attack the left, resist to the worker strike, give some in order to take some, its a continous fight.

i believe you guy call it class war.

Yes of coarse, but guess what, if the class struggle ends the Capitalist is already on top.

I'm not denying theres a struggle, but its not exactly like a boxing match, its more like one guy on the ground with a baseball back, and another guy on the floor trying to get up.

[danyboy27]

i still see it like a boxing match, the fact that one side prevail all the time dosnt assure him to prevail forever.

in that particular case, its up to the worker and communist to make decisive move in order to implement a new system.

its up to the capitalist to innovate their methods to stay in power.

its simple like that

[SavagePostModern]

Apolitical. I like that term. I think I'll use it for myself for now on.

Hayenmill said- If you don't care about politics or economy then what are you doing here, lol?

Well for me I'm trying to understand other peope's perspectives.

[Stranger Than Paradise]

Nihilism is both a moral standpoint and a political one.

[Decolonize The Left]

Trashed off-topic responses to Bud Struggle's troll bait post.

On topic,

is a person with no political or economical affiliation called a nihilist?

No. Someone with "no affiliation" is called an 'independent,' or 'undecided.' Someone with absolutely no interest in economics or politics (a claim I find dubious) would be apathetic or indifferent.

i am trying to clear this one up. what happen if you have no faith toward politics or economy at all, left or right?

You would be apathetic and indifferent, probably disenchanted with the economic and political system in place. But you are not a nihilist.

- August

[Rosa Provokateur]

but nihilism has had a distinctly political conectation (turn of the century tsaristic rusia) and was associated with the early anarchist movement.

the nihilist manifesto "the revolutionary catechism" by nechajev has been of significant influence on anarchist who where proponents of the propaganda of the deed.

Just read the Catechism, that's gotta be either the most devoted or the most fanatical thing ever I've seen in my life.

[Kingpin]

Sometimes I think I might be a nihilist. Do objective standards of morality exist?

It seems to me that what happens is that the people in power pick standards to rule over others but completely disregard the standards themselves.

[RGacky3]

It seems to me that what happens is that the people in power pick standards to rule over others but completely disregard the standards themselves.

Thats absolutely right, although mostly they are pretty universal and accepted standards, that they accept to be accepted by the people, but then disregard them.