Will I be restricted?

[Judicator]

I recall reading in one of the intro threads (don't think I can link yet, 25 post requirement) that to be a leftist you had to believe that socialist revolution was ideal and inevitable, or something along those lines. On the other hand, I read in "The Essential Guide for Being Unrestricted" that it's enough to believe that exploitation and the ruling class exist, and to be tolerant of different lifestyles. I would certainly accept the latter, and on the former I do accept that capitalists are more poweful and have significant baragining power when hiring workers. Is this enough?

Is being libertarian and slightly left when it comes to the economy (I see a good argument for reallocating wealth) fine, or am I not left enough so I'm considered a "rightist"?

[Havet]

I'm glad you chose my guide as reference, but as the CC members said:

The quide is simple, change your ideas that you were restricted(and possibly others which you got during your "living" inside OI) and prove that you change, nothing more nothing less.

To be unrestricted don't post stupid bullshit. Its a simple process, just keep posting from a revolutionary leftist perspective and when we trust you we'll let you out.

or send me money

[leninwasarightwingnutcase]

Welcome.

You certainly don't have to believe revolution is inevitable. Anarchists generally don't, and revleft is full of them.

As long as you see class struggle as a major dynamic determining the nature of society, see the role the institution of wage labur plays in this and oppose wage labour then you should be fine.

[Judicator]

As long as you see class struggle as a major dynamic determining the nature of society, see the role the institution of wage labur plays in this and oppose wage labour then you should be fine.

I think demographics are a major determining factor of the nature of society I don't know which specific ones are though. I guess I prefer salaried work as opposed to hourly wage work but I don't think that's what you're looking for.

So this forum isn't left/socialist in the sense of the rather moderate (for Europe) social democrats? You have to be fairly radical left? I guess it is called revleft.com I just didn't know if "radical left" and "right-wing" were considered exhaustive categories.

[Bud Struggle]

So this forum isn't left/socialist in the sense of the rather moderate (for Europe) social democrats? You have to be fairly radical left? I guess it is called revleft.com I just didn't know if "radical left" and "right-wing" were considered exhaustive categories.

This Forum is definitely opposed to Social Democrats which they see as just a watered down form of Capitalism. That is, Capitalism with a smiley face on it.

RevLEft is for true radical reform of the economic system with the abolution of class structure and the dissolution off the Borugeise.

Welcome to RevLeft.

[Kamerat]

[FONT=Verdana]I recall reading in one of the intro threads (don't think I can link yet, 25 post requirement) that to be a leftist you had to believe that socialist revolution was ideal and inevitable, or something along those lines. On the other hand, I read in "[/FONT][FONT=Verdana]The Essential Guide for Being Unrestricted" [/FONT][FONT=Verdana]that[/FONT][FONT=Verdana] it's enough to believe that exploitation and the ruling class exist, and to be tolerant of different lifestyles. I would certainly accept the latter, and on the former I do accept that capitalists are more poweful and have significant baragining power when hiring workers. Is this enough?

Is being libertarian and slightly left when it comes to the economy (I see a good argument for reallocating wealth) fine, or am I not left enough so I'm considered a "rightist"?
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Seems like you still wants the proletariat to slave for bourgoise. So you will probebly be restricted to post here in OI.

If this forum had allowd capitalist to post in the rest of the forum it would not be a forum for revolutionary leftist for long. Because there is a lot more people in the world, which have been brain washed by the society (school, media, family and friends) to think that private proprty is justifyed, that the bourgise have the right to take the surplus value of what the proletariat produce. And they would eventualy have taken over, spaming post like "but i dont want to share my toothbrush with my [/FONT][FONT=Verdana]neighbour". In the end all leftist would leave after geting tierd of their bs.[/FONT]

[#FF0000]

So this forum isn't left/socialist in the sense of the rather moderate (for Europe) social democrats?

Correct. Anarchists, Left-Communists, Maoists, Marxist-Leninists, Trotskyists = a-okay.

Social democrats = Nope.

[danyboy27]

Correct. Anarchists, Left-Communists, Maoists, Marxist-Leninists, Trotskyists = a-okay.

Social democrats = Nope.

still i have been able to be unrestricted for a long time and i was social democrat. its onyl when i asked for restriction that they restricted me, i guess it depend of what you post.

[#FF0000]

still i have been able to be unrestricted for a long time and i was social democrat. its onyl when i asked for restriction that they restricted me, i guess it depend of what you post.

Yeah I mean if you post exclusively in OI and don't cause a fuss then you won't be restricted.

[Havet]

Yeah I mean if you post exclusively in OI and don't cause a fuss then you won't be restricted.

I used to post exclusively in OI (where I made a fuss), and only made a couple of peaceful threads in Science about new technological developments. Yet i was still restricted...That's when I made a real fuss hehe. BTW, check out Unfair Restrictions III, ive posted my newest threads which might help the CC members become acquainted with my views.

[Judicator]

Can anyone confirm that I can ask textual questions about interpreting Marx and other theorists in non OI forums as long as I keep capitalism out in OI?

Can you at least still read the non OI stuff when you're restricted?

[danyboy27]

Can anyone confirm that I can ask textual questions about interpreting Marx and other theorists in non OI forums as long as I keep capitalism out in OI?

Can you at least still read the non OI stuff when you're restricted?

here is a tips for not being restricted:
get yourself some powerful friend inside the CC and all will be fine.

[RGacky3]

here is a tips for not being restricted:
get yourself some powerful friend inside the CC and all will be fine.

Hahaha, what is this the freaking USSR?

[danyboy27]

Hahaha, what is this the freaking USSR?

well, this is how it work, get a reputation, get friend in the cc for your radical opinion and you can almost do whatever you want!

[IcarusAngel]

Just because you don't "fit in" here does not mean you are not a leftist. Some people here think Noam Chomsky would be restricted if he posted here, for example, because he, like Karl Marx, recognized that there are forms of capitalism that are worse than others and, like Ralph Nader, recognizes that workers should try and understand politics and participate in it. Is it better that workers can read, or should they only be taught marketing in schools?

If anything, I'd say leftism is resisting ALL forms of tyranny, any kind of harm to the individual. When people were strongly opposing slavery and Nazism, they were being leftists. Revolutionary leftism is one way to go about it.

Basically, do you believe in: Worker empowerment. Egalitarianism. Opposing all forms of hierarchy. And of course, anti-imperialism, anti-colonialism, anti-nationalism and anti-racism. If you do you're probably a leftist.

Things like "egalitarianism" need no more explanation, but you could actually believe capitalism "empowers workers." But you'd be denying history and the overwhelming evidence, and hence, you wouldn't be a leftist.

You seem smart enough, however, to realize whether you're a leftist or not, and whether or not it's likely you'll be restricted here, so I'll just leave it at that. It's actually pretty easy to pick up on on popular currents and movements. It's not exactly physics here.

If you actually are a right-wing Libertarian who believes in, say, Misean "laws" of economics, then, well, it just isn't very nice at all to make a thread like this.

[#FF0000]

here is a tips for not being restricted:
get yourself some powerful friend inside the CC and all will be fine.

That's bullshit.

well, this is how it work, get a reputation, get friend in the cc for your radical opinion and you can almost do whatever you want!

Wrong.

I used to post exclusively in OI (where I made a fuss), and only made a couple of peaceful threads in Science about new technological developments. Yet i was still restricted...That's when I made a real fuss hehe.

Yeah, but it was established that you weren't a leftist.

Basically if you restrict yourself we won't restrict you.